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Old Nov 5th 2008, 1:36 pm
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Originally Posted by IvanM
http://business.smh.com.au/business/...1106-5iy7.html

It will be interesting to know where those jobs are.
http://business.smh.com.au/business/...1106-5iy7.html
The economy added an unexpectedly large number of jobs last month - 34,300 in total - but the gain masked the loss of 9,200 full-time positions.

The unemployment rate stayed put at 4.3% because of the whopping 43,500 part-time positions created last month - the most since April 2001.
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Old Nov 5th 2008, 1:52 pm
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Each ABC centre will continue trading, and will probably be sold off, maybe even individually, many of them possibly even back to the original owners.

There is a good profit in Child Care centres, IF those profits aren't taken by someone at the top !
 
Old Nov 5th 2008, 2:17 pm
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Originally Posted by IvanM
http://business.smh.com.au/business/...1106-5iy7.html
The economy added an unexpectedly large number of jobs last month - 34,300 in total - but the gain masked the loss of 9,200 full-time positions.

The unemployment rate stayed put at 4.3% because of the whopping 43,500 part-time positions created last month - the most since April 2001.
It is going in the right direction long term though, last month appears to be just a spike reversal of a previoius spike the other way.

Trend Estimates of Employed persons from abs.gov.au

October 2005
4,716,900 Full time employees
809,000 Part Time Employees
5,525,900 Total

October 2006
4,787,000 Full time employees up 1.49% in last 12 months
867,900 Part Time Employees up 7.28% in last 12 months
5,654,900 Total

October 2007
4,939,600 Full time employees up 3.19% in last 12 months
867,800 Part Time Employees Down -0.01% in last 12 months
5,807,400 Total

October 2008
5,038,400 Full time employees up 2.00% in last 12 months
867,500 Part Time Employees Down -0.03% in last 12 months
5,905,900 Total
 
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
Each ABC centre will continue trading, and will probably be sold off, maybe even individually, many of them possibly even back to the original owners.

There is a good profit in Child Care centres, IF those profits aren't taken by someone at the top !
If it was that profitable what went wrong?

The banks will look and see if they can get the money quicker by selling the property or the business. Both depend on availability of finance and the risk appetite of potential owners in the current climate.
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
It is going in the right direction long term though, last month appears to be just a spike reversal of a previoius spike the other way.
Maybe a reversal but maybe the start of a trend. Time will tell however even the government forecasts increasing unemployment.
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Old Nov 5th 2008, 3:01 pm
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If it was that profitable what went wrong?
Top Management took too much out, and expanded too fast into the USA and UK, with massive borrowings to buy existing, and profitable, child care centre companies.

In 2004/05 they made $52.3 million AFTER tax, on revenues of $292.7 million

Profits in 2007 dropped to $37.1 million (before tax), but with new debts of about $1.8 billion, to buy all the USA assets, the floor began to open up on them.

Once the credit crunch began they were stuffed.

But each individual centre almost certainly operates at a profit.
 
Old Nov 5th 2008, 3:07 pm
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Maybe a reversal but maybe the start of a trend. Time will tell however even the government forecasts increasing unemployment.
Agreed. The unemployment increase forecasts have been in place now for 12 months, and with everything that has happened, it will be bound to occur soon.

I am sure that employers will also revert back to employing casual and part timers again, as a result of all the changes that have occured in the last 12 months. But then, that was said back in November 2007, and it hasn't actually happened yet, with Full time up 2.00% and Part Time down 0.03% in last 12 months.
 
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
Top Management took too much out, and expanded too fast into the USA and UK, with massive borrowings to buy existing, and profitable, child care centre companies.

In 2004/05 they made $52.3 million AFTER tax, on revenues of $292.7 million

Profits in 2007 dropped to $37.1 million (before tax), but with new debts of about $1.8 billion, to buy all the USA assets, the floor began to open up on them.

Once the credit crunch began they were stuffed.

But each individual centre almost certainly operates at a profit.
Didn't they sell the US and UK businesses? I believe at a loss. If the business is not sold as a whole the losses will be at head office which I believe is in Brisbane.
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Agreed. The unemployment increase forecasts have been in place now for 12 months, and with everything that has happened, it will be bound to occur soon.

I am sure that employers will also revert back to employing casual and part timers again, as a result of all the changes that have occured in the last 12 months. But then, that was said back in November 2007, and it hasn't actually happened yet, with Full time up 2.00% and Part Time down 0.03% in last 12 months.
Figures are better than expected and I hope they hold up.
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Old Nov 5th 2008, 3:25 pm
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Didn't they sell the US and UK businesses? I believe at a loss.
They still have a lot of the debts left though !
 
Old Nov 6th 2008, 7:27 am
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...561044343.html
NSW is the only state conforming to dire predictions of rising joblessness, with the unemployment rate jumping to 5.2 per cent last month, up 1 percentage point from February. NSW shed 13,300 full-time jobs last month.
Commonwealth Bank economists estimate 18,000 new jobs are required each month to absorb the number of people joining the workforce and stop the unemployment rate rising.
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Well bully for you, I've LOST all mine, which eqautes to over $100 take home per week. After over 14 years it's abit of a kick in the pants.
bully for me
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They still have a lot of the debts left though !
http://business.smh.com.au/business/...1107-5k5f.html

federal Education Minister, Julia Gillard, said as many as 40 per cent of its Australian centres were making a loss.

These centres were draining the company of money and have left a cash hole that needs to be filled by the Federal Government to keep the centres running.
Banks normally only push for bankruptcy when they believe cash flow is negative. Terms are renegotiated so that a fire sale is avoided and the banks maximise their return even if they make a loss.
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Originally Posted by IvanM
Consumer confidence is measured and a key indicator on the economy. Some of it is due to people behaving like sheep but that is also part of the reason we get booms. In normal markets consumer confidence is cyclical and follows the other indicators. We are witnessing quite abnormal markets now. No amount of consumer confidence can make up for the amount of finance taken out of the system.
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There were guys there that were transferred by the Sydney office, moved their families, sold their Sydney houses, got their kids into school here and now been told they are jobless - and there are no development jobs out there at the moment. The man that fainteds wife is due to have a baby in three weeks. Generally everyone knew they wouldn't be getting a developments job again.
We had a new Pom over from the UK - headhunted and all costs including relocation paid. Was in a snr mgnt job, got made redundant after 4 weeks in Melbourne - might be back in England now. We've lost tens of contractors.
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Old Nov 8th 2008, 2:21 pm
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We had a new Pom over from the UK - headhunted and all costs including relocation paid. Was in a snr mgnt job, got made redundant after 4 weeks in Melbourne - might be back in England now. We've lost tens of contractors.
It strikes me that the higher earners are getting hit at the moment. People like bankers are the bank office and support companies. I have noticed that the higher end of the Sydney housing market hit higher than the middle areas. The lower end has already been hit.
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