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Re: An issue to ponder upon....
International aid has always been a tool for the benefit of the donor country or the ruling party of the donor country.
Originally Posted by eddie007
(Post 9991715)
So many questions posed.....
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Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
(Post 9994595)
I was invited to a pig killing like it was an honour. (I declined..) More of what you are talking about............ http://www.theage.com.au/national/wa...407-1wif2.html |
Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Originally Posted by lesleys
(Post 9994608)
But I bet they don't drive them round in the back seat of the car for a week beforehand? That was the way Turks displayed the sheep they were going to kill at the end of Ramadan, then slit their throats by roadside so everyone could see. I haven't eaten lamb since then.
More of what you are talking about............ http://www.theage.com.au/national/wa...407-1wif2.html But then again I have seen the local hunt 'blood" children at a kill, and have been handed a paw..... At least they eat the goat. :unsure: |
Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Originally Posted by IvanM
(Post 9994605)
International aid has always been a tool for the benefit of the donor country or the ruling party of the donor country.
Wasnt there a recent thread of those 'horrible' indians questionning British aid when an indian politician said that india does not need british aid? Only became news as BAE lost out on a big fighter jet contract dished out by the indians to another country. Most aid given by the west has been for its own benefit - economic or political EO. |
Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Originally Posted by rajj
(Post 10004938)
What he said.
Wasnt there a recent thread of those 'horrible' indians questionning British aid when an indian politician said that india does not need british aid? Only became news as BAE lost out on a big fighter jet contract dished out by the indians to another country. Most aid given by the west has been for its own benefit - economic or political EO. |
Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Depends on the defence, civil engineering, oil and other projects up for grabs but under the radar of most of us. I know that BG Group has oil and gas interests in India.
Then you have government departments that will fight tooth and nail not to lose budget. The efficiency of the spending is hard to tell in the misty nature of Whitehall and Canberra. Diplomatic discussions are normally more opaque unless Bradley Manning got hold of it.
Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
(Post 10004971)
Not sure what benefit the UK was getting out of giving India UKP1 Billion over the last five years. Its not like the Uk was buying a seat on the UN or anything.
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Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Originally Posted by IvanM
(Post 10004984)
Depends on the defence, civil engineering, oil and other projects up for grabs but under the radar of most of us. I know that BG Group has oil and gas interests in India.
Then you have government departments that will fight tooth and nail not to lose budget. The efficiency of the spending is hard to tell in the misty nature of Whitehall and Canberra. Diplomatic discussions are normally more opaque unless Bradley Manning got hold of it. |
Re: An issue to ponder upon....
I bothered to look it up:
http://projects.dfid.gov.uk/Default....elect=IN-India PROJECT TITLE DESCRIPTION STATUS BUDGET Universal Elementary Education (Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan II) [114487] Improve the quality of elementary education for all children. Operational £295,951,200 Reproductive and Child Health Programme Phase II [107908] Disparities in access and use of essential reproductive and child health services reduced. Operational £166,296,100 Sector Wide Approach to Strengthening Health (SWASTH) in Bihar [114506] Increased access to better quality health, nutrition and water and sanitation services for underserved groups Operational £146,500,000 MP Health sector support [113707] Increased use of quality health, nutrition and sanitation services by the poor Operational £103,000,000 National AIDS Control Programme III [107859] To achieve the National AIDS Control Programme's strategic objective of, achieving behaviour change through scaling up the prevention of new infections in high risk groups (HRG) and general population; and increased care, support and treatment of people living with HIV. Operational £102,000,000 West Bengal - Health Sector Support [107906] Enhanced and equitable utilisation of quality health services by the poorest and those in great need. Complete £95,000,000 West Bengal : Kolkata Urban Services for the Poor [107891] Improved quality of life and opportunity for 2.4 million poor people in the Kolkata Metropolitan Area (KMA) Operational £94,150,000 Orissa Health Sector Support [113963] Increased use of quality health, nutrition and sanitation services by the poor Operational £88,000,000 DFID UNICEF Strategic Partnership in India [108000] ENHANCED GOVERNMENT CAPACITY FOR PLANNING, MONITORING, IMPLEMENTATION AND COMMUNITY MOBILISATION, TO BETTER REALIZE THE RIGHT OF CHILDREN. Operational £75,000,000 Support Programme for Urban Reforms in Bihar [114040] Identified ULBs ability to provide urban services and attract private investment significantly enhanced Operational £61,000,000 and so on for another 74 pages. |
Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Surely public money would not be used to promote private ventures that need government approval;)
On the positive side India is slowly putting in corruption fighting measures.
Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
(Post 10004988)
As Raj pointed out, it didn't work for the fighter jet project.... Most of the engineering and oil/gas projects would be private ventures. From memory, a large slice of the money was for improvements in rural areas - mainly sanitation and education - you know, the stuff Indian should pay for themselves if they were not busy with a space program and arms race....
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Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
(Post 10004971)
Not sure what benefit the UK was getting out of giving India UKP1 Billion over the last five years. Its not like the Uk was buying a seat on the UN or anything.
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Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
(Post 10004971)
Not sure what benefit the UK was getting out of giving India UKP1 Billion over the last five years. Its not like the Uk was buying a seat on the UN or anything.
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Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
(Post 10004988)
As Raj pointed out, it didn't work for the fighter jet project.... Most of the engineering and oil/gas projects would be private ventures. From memory, a large slice of the money was for improvements in rural areas - mainly sanitation and education - you know, the stuff Indian should pay for themselves if they were not busy with a space program and arms race....
If UK dont want to give, then as Hillary clinton said to pakistan, dont accept it...or in the uks case ...give the ******* money to someone else...bet that want happen....future orders innit! |
Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Originally Posted by slapphead_otool
(Post 10004988)
As Raj pointed out, it didn't work for the fighter jet project.... Most of the engineering and oil/gas projects would be private ventures. ....
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Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Originally Posted by rajj
(Post 10005010)
Hawk training jet fighters???
I can see UKP254.9 million being spent upon Elementary Education - which is a shedload of British taxpayers money. Not sure what they get for that.... |
Re: An issue to ponder upon....
Arms and space races are good for banging the patriotic drum. Otherwise they have given the west Teflon and a way to spectacularly destroy our own wealth. India would do well to learn the lessons but it is too busy comparing manhood sizes with the neighbours.
Originally Posted by rajj
(Post 10005016)
Space & Arms programs are a must ...will generate revenue in the future. Since they got into the 'arms' game, the US attitude to india changed dramatically. Makes me laugh when people on this forum rant on about it given the benefits they've enjoyed directly linked to the arms industry in the uk.
If UK dont want to give, then as Hillary clinton said to pakistan, dont accept it...or in the uks case ...give the ******* money to someone else...bet that want happen....future orders innit! |
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