Our daughters school made us buy a MacBook Pro for her which was a bit of a bugger. What upset me even more was the $250 app we were forced to buy for some sort of music or film mixing. That was where the 20% off iTunes cards came in handy.

Garry this one is for you. Good anger management practice.

https://youtu.be/9GMQhOm-Dqo

Bullsh*t artist - as I said.

He spread it wide and deep. An industrial strength muck spreader -

He did what he said....... you've got to admire him for that

So did Thatcher.

And you'll notice I called him an artist.

Interesting thing is, he died as much a piece of sh*t as he lived - and Gates has been working to rehabilitate his reputation with active good works and the use of his money for positive purposes.

Salesman vs Nerd - which do you think will be viewed best by history?

Steve Jobs and that's unfortunate IMHO.

Unfortunately Garry, you don't need the technical brains driving the ship.

You need the marketing and visionary brains to do that. The techies just build it the way you describe.

Actually I'd say that's where we go wrong. The idea of 'techies' who will just do as they are told - whilst the paid liars reap the reward. At heart that's the problem behind climate change.

Oh, and marketeers ain't visionary - have you met any of them?

Unfortunately most techies aren't all rounders. They don't have the ability to be beyond tech.

If you look at Jobs and look at that video, marketing is just one piece.

I've always said that the last person you should ask about technology developments, what to buy, where it's heading etc is a techie

Techies are good for fixing, programming, setting up stuff but that's about it

Again, part of the problem.

The reality is they are at least as capable of getting up to speed with all that, if they want to. Being logical, breaking down problems and solving them, etc. means they can actually be pretty damn good at it if they turn their minds to it - just look at Google, sorry, Alphabet and where they come from. Then there's Elon Musk - who seems to be chasing every worthwhile target in sight.

The problem is the meme goes around that they can't - so they are never given the chance. The idea is that marketeer or an accountant is a better starting point for a great businessman - something that doesn't follow at all, if you actually follow the data (something those techies are good at).