Originally Posted by crocodileseamus

No parent is wrong and no parent is right for wanting the best for their children. Everyone believes there argument and have to be respected and not termed 'daft'.

I am not 'daft', it is my right as a parent.

None of my children received vitamin K injection at birth, it is automatically given at birth, but there is a big question mark that it might increase the risk of childhood leukaemia, so none of my children got it.

Why?

Because my sister had childhood leukaemia. Vitamin K isn't even in breast milk, so it isn't nature's way. A paediatrician actually had me in tears after my last child was born and told me I was neglecting him.

He had to come and apologise to me.

My daughter received her first 3 injections after birth and at 5 months was diagnosed with a dislocated hip. It was at this point when she went into plaster etc that Lucy switched off and stopped making eye contact, smiling etc. My husband and I reckon this is the point that tripped her autism.

If here is any doubt at all when you already have a child with special needs there is no way you are going to take a risk with a vaccine.

I know the risks of measles, my daughters will get the single rubella vaccine when they are 12, as I had, to protect unborn children.

Fortunately, all four children and husband got chicken pox last year without too much hassle, have to say husband suffered the most.

Walk in my shoes, feel my pain and then call me 'daft',


Lynne

Originally Posted by crocodileseamus

'Believed' or even a 'slight doubt', they still wouldn't get it because of what my sister went through. Leukaemia does run in our family OK.

I ain't an airhead. It is called having an opinion.

Originally Posted by markallwood

But of course, you might not buy any of that...some people believe that its all a big conspiracy, and that the drug companies have forced the govt's hand in this, and that they are covering up all sorts of evil-doings. These big bad drugs companies are just interested in the money, and they don't care about peoples heath !!!

Originally Posted by crocodileseamus

The vitamin K debate was the the BMJ several years ago,it was widely believed that there was a definate link between giving babies at birth vitamin K and developing childhood leukaemia.

Originally Posted by crocodileseamus

You don't agree with me, so what!!!!! I don't agree with you.

Respect, it is called an opinion.

Originally Posted by markallwood

Just let other people decide for themselves, based on facts.

Originally Posted by Trekrider

Oh how naive of me to think the big drug companies are more interested in humanitarianism than profits for the shareholders.

How does this explain the flu vaccination widely administered here at the end of last year - after the round of vaccinations were over the inventor of the vaccine proclaimed that it didn't work and that we should use a particular drug to combat the flu. Talk about having your cake and eating it too. You pay for the vaccine and then when it doesn't work you pay for the flu treatment!

Originally Posted by markallwood

Well, its obvious isn't it?

The big drug companies faked the moon landings at the request of opus dei. What the people didn't see, was that this was just smoke & mirrors. Several ships landed on earth that night, and the big drugs companies were given the chemical formula for Paracetamol. In exchange, the little grey men demanded that the drugs companies start producing drugs to alleviate illnesses that didn't exist, all in the name of increased revenue. The idea being, of course, that enough money would eventually be accumulated to enable opus dei to build a spaceship to join the grey men.

But don't tell anyone !

Originally Posted by Trekrider

I totally agree with you here - we should all be allowed to do our research and form as best an opinion as we can. I am sure we can all find studies both for and against vaccination, so I don't agree that it has been proven one way or the other - I doubt that it ever will. As it is our children's health and well being we are talking about, and we all want what we feel is best for our children, it will always be an emmotive topic.

Originally Posted by markallwood

And one other thing - the benefits of immunisation have been proven for many, many years now. But I do not think that any amount of evidence will persuade you of this.

best wishes,
Mark

Originally Posted by Trekrider

Just like the potential harmful side effects and lack of efficacy have been proven for many, many years now. But I do not think that any amount of evidence will persuade you of this either.

Originally Posted by Trekrider

I am quite happy to accept that you believe in vaccination, that is your right and I wouldn't even try to persuade you otherwise. This debate continues on and on because no one can prove conclusively either way. We each have to decide which side of the body of evidence we choose to go.

Best wishes,

Originally Posted by crocodileseamus

I have a real hang up about vaccinations.

I am a reasonably educated mother of 4 children, the eldest having autism. I haven't given any of my children the MMR, but got the 3 eldest kids the single measles vaccine, which of course I had to pay £60 each child.

My eldest child was born in 2000 and since my youngest was born in late 2006 there were four more injections added to the list. Why?

I survived OK without MMR, OK had rubella at 13 which carried me through all pregnancies,and all 4 kids have had chickenpox.

We don't live in the 3rd world, we don't need these mercury filled substances, the 1st, 2nd and 3rd injections at 8, 12 and 16 weeks is OK by me, I don't honestly think I will get my baby a single measles vaccine, because apparently now 'they' are mixed with mercury.

Lynne

Originally Posted by markallwood

Well, you'll be surprised to know that I am already aware that immunisations can have bad side effects, and on occasion these can be serious and sometimes even fatal. I recognise this.

Originally Posted by markallwood

However - I am also aware that immunisations have saved the lives of millions. This is something that it seems you do not recognise, yet it is crucial that you accept it, because this is the key to why 99% of people believe there is NO debate.

Originally Posted by markallwood

When you weigh up the costs and benefits, having your kids vaccinated is simply safer than not having them vaccinated.

Originally Posted by markallwood

Belief does not come into the debate at all....this debate is only concerned with facts. The facts do not allow us to decide whichever body of evidence we want to go with! And this is the reason why I am really trying my hardest to persuade you otherwise.

Originally Posted by markallwood

On an interesting sidenote, what are your views on jehovah's witnesses and their refusal to accept blood transfusions? They believe that the bible forbids blood transfusions, though there is no scientific evidence that God exists, or indeed, that he wrote the bible....and if he did, that he even meant the passages in the bible to be interpreted in that way...

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Originally Posted by Trekrider

As an atheist I'm not sure I am qualified to comment on this and it is a different issue altogether. There are scientific studies both supporting and questioning the efficacy of vaccination - not something you can apply to the existence (or otherwise) of god.