asher

the telegraph or the evening standard

Carbery

I would be a little suspicious of the anti Daily Mail posts - they are probably from second rate journos who did'nt even make it to an interview in a job application for the Mail or bitter ex paper boy/girls who fell of their bike when delivering the paper!
Just to annoy the anti Mail clique more I can tell you that the Mail is the only UK daily paper that is printed in daily in Australia and on sale every day in newsagents (one of which we own on the Gold Coast). Also available in weekly format are The Guardian, The Times, The Telegraph, The Express along with all the other weekly news titles (New Scientist, Spectator, etc)

NKSK version 2

It is a crock of sh!t though isn't it?

I'm with Vanessa - The Times (most readable website) and Guardian - sometimes have a look at the Independent as well.

Carbery

Its not my paper of choice, but being in the news trade for 20 years I have a grudging respect for it in its expanding circulation in a shirking market - it knows what its readership wants and delivers. Whether you agree with its politics or not it has proved to be a winner unlike other titles which are in terminal decline (Independent, Mirror, Express)

NKSK version 2

I think that it's necessary to divorce marketing and business success from editorial and journalistic success. Just because it plays on the insecurities of Middle England doesn't mean that it's a good paper - otherwise the Sun and those US tabloids would be deemed 'good' and by the same token McDonalds has good food.

This leads to an interesting wider debate about the definition of a "newspaper"", an "editor" and a "journalist". And hence whether you can actually compare the likes of The Times with The Sun. Isn't it a bit like comparing a Big Mac with organic vegetable soup?

Vim Fuego

By the same values heroin is a winner on profitability and increased circulation but I ain't going to start injecting or pretend it's providing any useful service to mankind.

Face it, the so-called 'reporting' of the Daily Mail is a cancer.

sunbather

Thanks for your replies everyone. Even those who can't understand why I would want to stay aware of what is going on in the Northern Hemisphere. I can't understand why you WOULDN'T want to know what is affecting those you left behind

Vash the Stampede

Times, Independent, Guardian. Though I've been less impressed with the Guardian of late, and now prefer the Independent.

The Daily Mail is not a newspaper; it is toilet paper.

Of course I use the Beeb as well, but the Beeb is not a newspaper.

Vash the Stampede

This is a sign of a commercially successful newspaper. It is not necessarily the sign of a good quality newspaper, nor is it necessarily a sign of a newspaper that benefits from accurate, objective analysis and unbiased reporting.

The Sun knows what its readership wants and delivers, but surely no-one in their right mind would argue that this fact alone recommends it as a newspaper.

Carbery

It would be nice to be judged on journalistic success only but any product be it tin of beans or newspaper has to have a sound financial base (circulation, advertising revenue) to justify its existance. The comparisson you draw with McDonalds is interesting as both businesses have had to reinvent themselves over the past few years - newspapers now deal with 24 hour news channels, internet, mobile information by changing from 'news' paper to information and back up stories with opinion rather than presentation of the facts. McDonalds have faced the 'unhealthy' tag by reinventing itself in McCafe and salad seller. Both businesses have had to change to survive.






Mr Vim - I have read many of your posts to know that you are very sharp and clever with your replies, I have a respect for you and know that a clever retort is not far away but............... the last time I checked heroin was not legal and the Daily Mail as I stated before write what a lot of people want to hear and is not breaking any laws. Also if you had ever seen a person close to you die of cancer you would not compare it with an article in a newspaper.

Vim Fuego

Nice to know I have a reader ... and thanks for pointing out the bloody obvious.

The Daily Mail is helping perpetuate most of what is perceived to be wrong in society, it is, as previously mentioned, toilet paper ... and it's readers should be sterilised.

Clean up the gene pool and move forward ...

Pollyana

I read the Times and the Sunday Times online, also the BBC news daily online. I have friends and family there, and I'm British, every reason to read the news there. I also have an interest in world affairs. Australia may be an island, but its affected by events in the rest of the world. Annoys me when Aussies ask me why I read the news about other parts of the world, a lot of those that I know aren't interested in the world outside Australia.
I also read the Daily Mail when I go home, just to see the other perspective. I treat it like the Sun, read it, see it for what it is, and put it all in context. Half the trick of being a newspaper addict is to be able to assess what viewpooint the paper is writing from, and be able to then make your own judegments based on that.

Vash the Stampede

The same was true of Mein Kampf.

I have to question the mentality of anyone who reads a newspaper because it tells them what they want to hear. I'd rather be told the truth, for better or worse.

sunbather

My sentiments exactly

moneypenny20

Times online and BBC. Also watch ABC news. Gives me what I want or need to know. I'm only interested in the general news though. Have no interest in reading about the political side of life in the UK. If something happens, someone in the UK will tell me.

When I lived in the UK, I didn't spend much time reading up on Asia Pacific news unless something big happened. I feel the same in reverse now. I certainly don't want the gossipy tabloid trash that the Mail always used to come out with so wouldn't dream of reading it here. My mother keeps sending me the link for the Daily Telegraph WHY? I don't want it :curse: