Holden to pull out of Australia
Dec 11th 2013, 2:35 am
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Dec 11th 2013, 3:13 am
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Time for Australia to start closing a few of those skilled visa routes.
This will absolutely cane manufacturing and unless they plan to have the same ridiculous set-up as they do for IT, where IT jobs are being offshored, but there's still thousands of IT workers being granted visas, then DIBP needs to be looking very hard at any visa's that are related to skilled engineers.
This will absolutely cane manufacturing and unless they plan to have the same ridiculous set-up as they do for IT, where IT jobs are being offshored, but there's still thousands of IT workers being granted visas, then DIBP needs to be looking very hard at any visa's that are related to skilled engineers.
Dec 11th 2013, 5:30 am
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Dec 11th 2013, 6:01 am
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Is it the end of Holden altogether or just production, many of there cars were not made in Oz anyway, Captiva, The Ute etc so will they keep the badge?
Dec 11th 2013, 6:12 am
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They say they will become a national sales company just selling either rebadged cars or cars badged as GM. It will be a bit odd if they try to sell cars with a Holden badge when Holden is no longer a manufacturer.
Dec 11th 2013, 6:15 am
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Time for Australia to start closing a few of those skilled visa routes.
This will absolutely cane manufacturing and unless they plan to have the same ridiculous set-up as they do for IT, where IT jobs are being offshored, but there's still thousands of IT workers being granted visas, then DIBP needs to be looking very hard at any visa's that are related to skilled engineers.
This will absolutely cane manufacturing and unless they plan to have the same ridiculous set-up as they do for IT, where IT jobs are being offshored, but there's still thousands of IT workers being granted visas, then DIBP needs to be looking very hard at any visa's that are related to skilled engineers.
Which in turn means you don't want accountants, lawyers, economists, and worst of all, political 'science' types in positions of power. You want people both with more vision, and a more practical bent, to stop thinking that their responsibility ends with a tax or a loan - and to do quite a bit more.
As an example, Ford, and now Holden, closing down Australian manufacturing has been on the cards for years now - which means the government should have a planned programme ready and waiting to go.
Anyone, anyone ??
Dec 11th 2013, 6:18 am
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I have genuine mixed feelings about this decision
Normally, subsidising companies (especially ones where unions are powerful and have negotiated pay and perks far above what most others can get) is not a good idea. But our governments subsidise (bribe) loads of voters, employ too many civil servants, generally waste so much money etc, that what Holden wanted was chicken feed in comparison
If we were a low tax, no subsidies, no benefits country then tell Holden to get stretched - but we're not. Saying that, maybe no amount of money was going to keep Holden here
Normally, subsidising companies (especially ones where unions are powerful and have negotiated pay and perks far above what most others can get) is not a good idea. But our governments subsidise (bribe) loads of voters, employ too many civil servants, generally waste so much money etc, that what Holden wanted was chicken feed in comparison
If we were a low tax, no subsidies, no benefits country then tell Holden to get stretched - but we're not. Saying that, maybe no amount of money was going to keep Holden here
Dec 11th 2013, 7:10 am
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Re: Holden to pull out of Australia
I have genuine mixed feelings about this decision
Normally, subsidising companies (especially ones where unions are powerful and have negotiated pay and perks far above what most others can get) is not a good idea. But our governments subsidise (bribe) loads of voters, employ too many civil servants, generally waste so much money etc, that what Holden wanted was chicken feed in comparison
If we were a low tax, no subsidies, no benefits country then tell Holden to get stretched - but we're not. Saying that, maybe no amount of money was going to keep Holden here
Normally, subsidising companies (especially ones where unions are powerful and have negotiated pay and perks far above what most others can get) is not a good idea. But our governments subsidise (bribe) loads of voters, employ too many civil servants, generally waste so much money etc, that what Holden wanted was chicken feed in comparison
If we were a low tax, no subsidies, no benefits country then tell Holden to get stretched - but we're not. Saying that, maybe no amount of money was going to keep Holden here
And where is that dickhead Aussie Prime Minister when something so catastrophic as this happens? I don't care he's gone to a funeral - his own country has taken a massive blow and that arsehole has had nothing to say. Every time you see the news he's nowhere to be seen. If he had such a great ministerial presence he would have asked Holden to hold off until he gets back or alternatively would have made arrangements to talk to his people during this bad news time. In stead he leaves it to his 2IC to manage.
He has no people skills that dingo
Dec 11th 2013, 7:40 am
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Actually it's kind of the wrong way round. They need to have a proactive, sane, industrial strategy that both utilises the unused skill base they have, and potentially pulls in more, to deliver high value output in a defensible domain to ... make lots of money.
Which in turn means you don't want accountants, lawyers, economists, and worst of all, political 'science' types in positions of power. You want people both with more vision, and a more practical bent, to stop thinking that their responsibility ends with a tax or a loan - and to do quite a bit more.
As an example, Ford, and now Holden, closing down Australian manufacturing has been on the cards for years now - which means the government should have a planned programme ready and waiting to go.
Anyone, anyone ??
Which in turn means you don't want accountants, lawyers, economists, and worst of all, political 'science' types in positions of power. You want people both with more vision, and a more practical bent, to stop thinking that their responsibility ends with a tax or a loan - and to do quite a bit more.
As an example, Ford, and now Holden, closing down Australian manufacturing has been on the cards for years now - which means the government should have a planned programme ready and waiting to go.
Anyone, anyone ??
Dec 11th 2013, 7:52 am
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Australian manufacturers basically need to be smarter and more innovative. No reason why this can't happen. I would imagine some pretty smart people work at Holden and Ford and will go on to form new smarter engineering companies and these are the people deserving of grants and tax breaks.
Dec 11th 2013, 8:06 am
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Australian manufacturers basically need to be smarter and more innovative. No reason why this can't happen. I would imagine some pretty smart people work at Holden and Ford and will go on to form new smarter engineering companies and these are the people deserving of grants and tax breaks.
Dec 11th 2013, 8:27 am
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Australian manufacturers basically need to be smarter and more innovative. No reason why this can't happen. I would imagine some pretty smart people work at Holden and Ford and will go on to form new smarter engineering companies and these are the people deserving of grants and tax breaks.
Coupled with making it easier/cheaper/ more lucrative to startup a company, particular in the high tech arena, they could grow a crop of stay at home companies.
Dec 11th 2013, 8:27 am
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Whilst it's sad to see people losing jobs, it's good we finally stop subsidising losing businesses.
This is a good article to read: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comme...211-2z63t.html
This is a good article to read: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comme...211-2z63t.html
Good riddance to the great Australian con – that we needed a local car manufacturing industry.
We as Australians really need to move on. We need to recognise that an unnatural portion of our nation’s conversation has been devoted to the retention of an Australian car manufacturing industry – one in which we carry no natural economic advantage.
We as Australians really need to move on. We need to recognise that an unnatural portion of our nation’s conversation has been devoted to the retention of an Australian car manufacturing industry – one in which we carry no natural economic advantage.
Dec 11th 2013, 8:39 am
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Agree. Margaret Thatcher did the same in UK however the UK was better able to sustain itself - Aus less so. Especially during these tough economic times. Even if the country subsidises the car industry until alternative work could be provided that would be better than closing the industry with nothing to take over.
And where is that dickhead Aussie Prime Minister when something so catastrophic as this happens? I don't care he's gone to a funeral - his own country has taken a massive blow and that arsehole has had nothing to say. Every time you see the news he's nowhere to be seen. If he had such a great ministerial presence he would have asked Holden to hold off until he gets back or alternatively would have made arrangements to talk to his people during this bad news time. In stead he leaves it to his 2IC to manage.
He has no people skills that dingo
And where is that dickhead Aussie Prime Minister when something so catastrophic as this happens? I don't care he's gone to a funeral - his own country has taken a massive blow and that arsehole has had nothing to say. Every time you see the news he's nowhere to be seen. If he had such a great ministerial presence he would have asked Holden to hold off until he gets back or alternatively would have made arrangements to talk to his people during this bad news time. In stead he leaves it to his 2IC to manage.
He has no people skills that dingo
Dec 11th 2013, 8:48 am
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