Heads up for people looking to book flights to Oz
May 3rd 2009, 5:47 am
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Re: Heads up for people looking to book flights to Oz
More bad news from the Emirates camp. They really need to get these disgruntled staff onside ..
http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/...014090,00.html
Still you would think twice before you complained to management ...
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020205
Emirates pilots say another crash is 'highly probable'
By James Campbell and Ellen Whinnett
Herald Sun
May 03, 2009 08:20am
Emirates / Herald Sun
Warning ... Emirates pilots fear fatigue could lead to a crash.
* Emirates pilots complain about fatigue
* Say passenger safety is under threat
* Blame safety problems on morale, management
THREE Emirates pilots have spoken out about fatigue problems at the airline, saying passenger safety is under threat.
The pilots, who all currently fly for the airline, spoke separately to the Sunday Herald Sun to outline concerns about fatigue, morale and management of the United Arab Emirates-based airline.
By James Campbell and Ellen Whinnett
Herald Sun
May 03, 2009 08:20am
Emirates / Herald Sun
Warning ... Emirates pilots fear fatigue could lead to a crash.
* Emirates pilots complain about fatigue
* Say passenger safety is under threat
* Blame safety problems on morale, management
THREE Emirates pilots have spoken out about fatigue problems at the airline, saying passenger safety is under threat.
The pilots, who all currently fly for the airline, spoke separately to the Sunday Herald Sun to outline concerns about fatigue, morale and management of the United Arab Emirates-based airline.
Still you would think twice before you complained to management ...
Hillary Clinton is advised to break her silence on a torture case that has caused controversy for one of US' staunchest Middle Eastern allies.
Human Rights Commission of the US house has urged Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, to 'express the outrage of our nation regarding these acts' referring to a UAE prince's verified subjection of an employee to severe torture, ABC News reported on Friday.
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May 3rd 2009, 5:30 pm
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Re: Heads up for people looking to book flights to Oz
"The captain had flown for 98.9 hours in the previous 30 days, or nearly 20 hours longer than most Qantas pilots might expect from a roster, while the first officer had racked up 89.7 duty hours."
get your facts straight "ken from canberra" and stop spreading shit for the qantas union.
have you ever seen the inside of a cockpit? or is your desk job pushing papers too demanding?
FO had the stick and he had 10 hours overtime over PREV 30 DAYS, which means he taxied a lil more.
mistakes happen in the real world, but you wouldn't know being in canberra and all.
get your facts straight "ken from canberra" and stop spreading shit for the qantas union.
have you ever seen the inside of a cockpit? or is your desk job pushing papers too demanding?
FO had the stick and he had 10 hours overtime over PREV 30 DAYS, which means he taxied a lil more.
mistakes happen in the real world, but you wouldn't know being in canberra and all.
May 3rd 2009, 8:55 pm
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Re: Heads up for people looking to book flights to Oz
"An Emirates source said the airline was in a risky situation because it did not have a culture that encouraged people to voice their safety concerns."
here we go again. does qantas union own news.com? they spew crap every time there's an issue with the management or competition. senior emirates pilots are involved in international audits re power distance in the cockpit and trained airliners from delta to korean.
'a source'? puhhleasse. the rope is getting tighter.
here we go again. does qantas union own news.com? they spew crap every time there's an issue with the management or competition. senior emirates pilots are involved in international audits re power distance in the cockpit and trained airliners from delta to korean.
'a source'? puhhleasse. the rope is getting tighter.
"The captain had flown for 98.9 hours in the previous 30 days, or nearly 20 hours longer than most Qantas pilots might expect from a roster, while the first officer had racked up 89.7 duty hours."
get your facts straight "ken from canberra" and stop spreading shit for the qantas union.
have you ever seen the inside of a cockpit? or is your desk job pushing papers too demanding?
FO had the stick and he had 10 hours overtime over PREV 30 DAYS, which means he taxied a lil more.
mistakes happen in the real world, but you wouldn't know being in canberra and all.
get your facts straight "ken from canberra" and stop spreading shit for the qantas union.
have you ever seen the inside of a cockpit? or is your desk job pushing papers too demanding?
FO had the stick and he had 10 hours overtime over PREV 30 DAYS, which means he taxied a lil more.
mistakes happen in the real world, but you wouldn't know being in canberra and all.
You certainly seem to have some personal issues with Qantas.
May 4th 2009, 11:26 am
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Re: Heads up for people looking to book flights to Oz
I have no axe to grind with any particular airline.
But the more I read about this incident the more I smell a rat ....
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...rom-melbourne/
Emirates flight EK 407 was the most dangerous non fatal accident to a jet airliner in Australia
March 23, 2009 – 2:42 pm, by Ben Sandilands
ATSB air accident investigators could know as soon as this afternoon what sort of incident they are dealing with after an Emirates A345 with more than 230 people on board was severely damaged on taking off from Melbourne Airport on Friday night.
Was it badly flown? Did one or more cargo containers break loose during the take off roll? Did an engine fail? Were the pilots blind sided by incorrect load data? Was it superbly flown, as many believe, in dealing with an unexpected crisis at a moment when the jet was moving too fast to safely stop?
Whatever the reasons and sequence of events, one thing is indisputable. This was the most serious incident ever to happen without loss of life in airline operations in Australia.
And it is fortunate it didn’t happen flying out of Sydney instead, because of the 50% chance that a well loaded jet making a 14 hour flight would have departed toward the rising ground of inner western suburbs, or hit the container storage yards just outside the airport.
When flight EK 407 belted off the end of the runway it used at Tullamarine doing close to 280 kmh it took out an instrument landing system antenna at a point about 150 centimetres above the ground, with the underside of its tail.
The ground beyond sloped downwards. With its nose pointed high and its engines blasting tracks in the grass , it missed a brick building by as little as 50 cms.
The ATSB has recovered the various flight data and cockpit voice recorders from the jet and is believed to be interviewing the flight crew. Assuming the data recorders are in perfect condition, a really good overview of the events including during the subsequent emergency landing at Melbourne should be readily available to the investigators.
The jet is known to have experienced as least one but possibly three or more tail strikes during its takeoff roll. The jet has been severely damaged, broken down to the underlying ribs or stringers in one area, in a part of the structure where the critical rear pressure bulkhead may also have been damaged.
Anecdotal clues so far include a reference by one of the pilots to the possibility that cargo had shifted. This would have played havoc with control of the jet, or did a sudden upward pitch in the jet initiate a roll back by a container making things much worse? One passenger is quoted as saying he saw an engine fail. But that alone would not have prevented the flight taking off well before hitting the antenna.
Like the overwhelming proportion of jet aircraft departures made today, the Emirates jet is believed to have been making a reduced thrust takeoff. These are almost universally used by airlines to save fuel and reduce airport noise. They are certified as safe even in the event of an engine failure because the procedure is set to ensure that even then, the aircraft will become airborne and clear any obstacles near the end of the runway.
There have been numerous incidents similar to the EK 407 accident involving different types of passenger and freighter aircraft. A severe tail strike incident by a Singapore Airlines 747 several years ago in Auckland was caused by the pilots not being given the correct weight and load information.
Emirates was severely criticised by the South African equivalent of the ATSB after another superficially similar incident at Johannesburg on 9 April 2004, when two inexperienced A340-300 pilots smashed their jet through the landing lights at the end of the main runway and managed a safe return.
However until the ATSB reveals more nothing is really clear.
Unless of course, someone in the container loading detail at Melbourne Airport has run away to join the French Foreign Legion.
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But the more I read about this incident the more I smell a rat ....
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...rom-melbourne/
Emirates flight EK 407 was the most dangerous non fatal accident to a jet airliner in Australia
March 23, 2009 – 2:42 pm, by Ben Sandilands
ATSB air accident investigators could know as soon as this afternoon what sort of incident they are dealing with after an Emirates A345 with more than 230 people on board was severely damaged on taking off from Melbourne Airport on Friday night.
Was it badly flown? Did one or more cargo containers break loose during the take off roll? Did an engine fail? Were the pilots blind sided by incorrect load data? Was it superbly flown, as many believe, in dealing with an unexpected crisis at a moment when the jet was moving too fast to safely stop?
Whatever the reasons and sequence of events, one thing is indisputable. This was the most serious incident ever to happen without loss of life in airline operations in Australia.
And it is fortunate it didn’t happen flying out of Sydney instead, because of the 50% chance that a well loaded jet making a 14 hour flight would have departed toward the rising ground of inner western suburbs, or hit the container storage yards just outside the airport.
When flight EK 407 belted off the end of the runway it used at Tullamarine doing close to 280 kmh it took out an instrument landing system antenna at a point about 150 centimetres above the ground, with the underside of its tail.
The ground beyond sloped downwards. With its nose pointed high and its engines blasting tracks in the grass , it missed a brick building by as little as 50 cms.
The ATSB has recovered the various flight data and cockpit voice recorders from the jet and is believed to be interviewing the flight crew. Assuming the data recorders are in perfect condition, a really good overview of the events including during the subsequent emergency landing at Melbourne should be readily available to the investigators.
The jet is known to have experienced as least one but possibly three or more tail strikes during its takeoff roll. The jet has been severely damaged, broken down to the underlying ribs or stringers in one area, in a part of the structure where the critical rear pressure bulkhead may also have been damaged.
Anecdotal clues so far include a reference by one of the pilots to the possibility that cargo had shifted. This would have played havoc with control of the jet, or did a sudden upward pitch in the jet initiate a roll back by a container making things much worse? One passenger is quoted as saying he saw an engine fail. But that alone would not have prevented the flight taking off well before hitting the antenna.
Like the overwhelming proportion of jet aircraft departures made today, the Emirates jet is believed to have been making a reduced thrust takeoff. These are almost universally used by airlines to save fuel and reduce airport noise. They are certified as safe even in the event of an engine failure because the procedure is set to ensure that even then, the aircraft will become airborne and clear any obstacles near the end of the runway.
There have been numerous incidents similar to the EK 407 accident involving different types of passenger and freighter aircraft. A severe tail strike incident by a Singapore Airlines 747 several years ago in Auckland was caused by the pilots not being given the correct weight and load information.
Emirates was severely criticised by the South African equivalent of the ATSB after another superficially similar incident at Johannesburg on 9 April 2004, when two inexperienced A340-300 pilots smashed their jet through the landing lights at the end of the main runway and managed a safe return.
However until the ATSB reveals more nothing is really clear.
Unless of course, someone in the container loading detail at Melbourne Airport has run away to join the French Foreign Legion.
Related Posts
* Lessons Learned at terrible cost
* Decoding the Qantas Middle East code share
* UK govt robs Qantas to 'pay' Emirates
* QF+BA piles more pressure onto Singapore Airlines
* Emirates flight EK 407 and the need for airlines to be accountable for their accidents
May 17th 2009, 6:01 am
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Re: Heads up for people looking to book flights to Oz
more bad news from Emirates. The old saying is where there is smoke there is fire.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/...014090,00.html
Bracketed in with the likes of Aeroflot. Not good.
They are definitely off my short list for my trip back to England, thats for sure.
Airlines misleading customers
By staff writers
AAP
May 15, 2009 08:07am
EMIRATES have been publicly reprimanded by the European Union for persistently misleading customers on their websites.
The airline was put on the EU's "black list" – along with Turkish, Royal Air Maroc, Aeroflot, Northwest and Olympic.
By staff writers
AAP
May 15, 2009 08:07am
EMIRATES have been publicly reprimanded by the European Union for persistently misleading customers on their websites.
The airline was put on the EU's "black list" – along with Turkish, Royal Air Maroc, Aeroflot, Northwest and Olympic.
Bracketed in with the likes of Aeroflot. Not good.
They are definitely off my short list for my trip back to England, thats for sure.
May 17th 2009, 6:07 am
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Re: Heads up for people looking to book flights to Oz
http://www.geocities.com/soho/cafe/9653/emirates.html
