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sonlymewalter Nov 18th 2011 5:15 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by sheene (Post 9741539)
'Do you have a Degree' is a question, not an opinion.
Really? well I never knew that....

ques·tion (kwschn)
n.
1.
a. An expression of inquiry that invites or calls for a reply.
b. An interrogative sentence, phrase, or gesture.
2. A subject or point open to controversy; an issue.
3. A difficult matter; a problem: a question of ethics.
4. A point or subject under discussion or consideration.
5.
a. A proposition brought up for consideration by an assembly.
b. The act of bringing a proposal to vote.
6. Uncertainty; doubt: There is no question about the validity of the enterprise.
v. ques·tioned, ques·tion·ing, ques·tions
v.tr.
1. To put a question to. See Synonyms at ask.
2. To examine (a witness, for example) by questioning; interrogate.
3. To express doubt about; dispute.
4. To analyze; examine.
v.intr.
To ask questions.



debate Also found in: Legal, Idioms, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia 0.01 sec.
de·bate (d-bt)
v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates
v.intr.
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.
4. Obsolete To fight or quarrel.
v.tr.
1. To deliberate on; consider.
2. To dispute or argue about.
3. To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
4. Obsolete To fight or argue for or over.
n.
1. A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
2. Deliberation; consideration: passed the motion with little debate.
3. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.
4. Obsolete Conflict; strife.

sheene Nov 18th 2011 5:26 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 9741650)
Definition of wisdom.....

"The quality of being wise is the knowledge and the capacity to make due use of it; knowledge of the best ends and the best means; discernment and judgment; discretion; sagacity; skill; dexterity".

http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Wisdom

Knowledge and wisdom, far from being one,
Have ofttimes no connection. Knowledge dwells
In heads replete with thoughts of other men;
Wisdom, in minds attentive to their own.
Knowledge, a rude, unprofitable mass,
The mere materials with which wisdom builds,
Till smoothed, and squared, and fitted to its place,
Does but encumber whom it seems to enrich.
Knowledge is proud that he has learned so much;
Wisdom is humble that he knows no more.

An excellent university course can teach someone how to take emotions out of a situation, how not to judge and make a decision until weighing up all the hard facts and pros and cons. It can be the foundation from which wisdom begins....

Knowledge is gained by the experience of the real world, to test those learned foundations and add to the wisdom gained by constant questioning, assessing, evaluating.
Not sure if knowledge and wisdom are mutually exclusive, perhaps more interwoven than having no connection. Would it not take some level of wisdom to be able to gain relevant knowledge? Could you be wise without any knowledge? And where does intelligence fit into the mix - perhaps it is the successful summation of wisdom and knowledge?

Whilst sitting at my ex in-laws house, the cat started licking it's genitalia. 'Wish I could do that' I said, then quick as a flash my wife replied 'if you ask nicely, I am sure he will let you'. That level of quick thinking always impresses.

sheene Nov 18th 2011 5:30 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 9741658)
Really? well I never knew that....

ques·tion (kwschn)
n.
1.
a. An expression of inquiry that invites or calls for a reply.
b. An interrogative sentence, phrase, or gesture.
2. A subject or point open to controversy; an issue.
3. A difficult matter; a problem: a question of ethics.
4. A point or subject under discussion or consideration.
5.
a. A proposition brought up for consideration by an assembly.
b. The act of bringing a proposal to vote.
6. Uncertainty; doubt: There is no question about the validity of the enterprise.
v. ques·tioned, ques·tion·ing, ques·tions
v.tr.
1. To put a question to. See Synonyms at ask.
2. To examine (a witness, for example) by questioning; interrogate.
3. To express doubt about; dispute.
4. To analyze; examine.
v.intr.
To ask questions.



debate Also found in: Legal, Idioms, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia 0.01 sec.
de·bate (d-bt)
v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates
v.intr.
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.
4. Obsolete To fight or quarrel.
v.tr.
1. To deliberate on; consider.
2. To dispute or argue about.
3. To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
4. Obsolete To fight or argue for or over.
n.
1. A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
2. Deliberation; consideration: passed the motion with little debate.
3. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.
4. Obsolete Conflict; strife.
We had a maths teacher who could prove 1 is equal to zero. My opinion is 'Do you have a degree' is a question.

sonlymewalter Nov 18th 2011 5:30 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by sheene (Post 9741663)
Not sure if knowledge and wisdom are mutually exclusive, perhaps more interwoven than having no connection. Would it not take some level of wisdom to be able to gain relevant knowledge? Could you be wise without any knowledge? And where does intelligence fit into the mix - perhaps it is the successful summation of wisdom and knowledge?

Whilst sitting at my ex in-laws house, the cat started licking it's genitalia. 'Wish I could do that' I said, then quick as a flash my wife replied 'if you ask nicely, I am sure he will let you'. That level of quick thinking always impresses.
impressed by the oldest joke in the book:blink:

sonlymewalter Nov 18th 2011 5:32 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by sheene (Post 9741665)
We had a maths teacher who could prove 1 is equal to zero. My opinion is 'Do you have a degree' is a question.
semantics [sɪˈmæntɪks]
n (functioning as singular)
1. (Linguistics) the branch of linguistics that deals with the study of meaning, changes in meaning, and the principles that govern the relationship between sentences or words and their meanings
2. (Philosophy / Logic) the study of the relationships between signs and symbols and what they represent
3. (Philosophy / Logic) Logic
a. the study of interpretations of a formal theory
b. the study of the relationship between the structure of a theory and its subject matter
c. (of a formal theory) the principles that determine the truth or falsehood of sentences within the theory, and the references of its terms
semanticist n

sheene Nov 18th 2011 5:35 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 9741666)
impressed by the oldest joke in the book:blink:
It was 30 years ago.

sheene Nov 18th 2011 5:36 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 9741669)
semantics [sɪˈmæntɪks]
n (functioning as singular)
1. (Linguistics) the branch of linguistics that deals with the study of meaning, changes in meaning, and the principles that govern the relationship between sentences or words and their meanings
2. (Philosophy / Logic) the study of the relationships between signs and symbols and what they represent
3. (Philosophy / Logic) Logic
a. the study of interpretations of a formal theory
b. the study of the relationship between the structure of a theory and its subject matter
c. (of a formal theory) the principles that determine the truth or falsehood of sentences within the theory, and the references of its terms
semanticist n
Regurgitation is not really that impressive - what about some original thought?

sonlymewalter Nov 18th 2011 5:37 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by sheene (Post 9741674)
It was 30 years ago.
It was old then too.....

sheene Nov 18th 2011 5:38 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 9741680)
It was old then too.....
Not if you hadn't heard it.

sonlymewalter Nov 18th 2011 5:42 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by sheene (Post 9741678)
Regurgitation is not really that impressive - what about some original thought?
I'll stick to the facts old boy. It's the only way you seem to not get into arguments. Actually reading your posts on various threads it seems you could fall out with yourself in a paper bag:blink:

small talk with argumentative wannabe teachers aint my bag ....and I aint got any old 30 year old jokes either:(

eddie007 Nov 18th 2011 5:45 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
:rofl:

Just love BE

competitive intellectual masterbation at its best....

sheene Nov 18th 2011 5:50 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by eddie007 (Post 9741690)
:rofl:

Just love BE

competitive intellectual masterbation at its best....
I'll get the Kleenex

Bix Nov 18th 2011 6:03 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
I have the knowledge of it.
The wisdom to tell it.
The intelligence to understand it.



I talk of course of my 40 year old joke.
Do you wanna hear it? :D

Bix Nov 18th 2011 6:04 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
Originally Posted by eddie007 (Post 9741690)
:rofl:

Just love BE

competitive intellectual masterbation at its best....
:amen:

sonlymewalter Nov 18th 2011 6:07 pm
Re: Hands on experience or a degree, which do you value more?
 
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Originally Posted by eddie007 (Post 9741690)
:rofl:

Just love BE

competitive intellectual masterbation at its best....
I do miss it.....

even the politics here are futile


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