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Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 10072925)
But to me the first one is a doll which is played with as though the child is playing with another child, recreating lifelike scenarios, therefore should be lifelike. The second one is a cuddly toy which isn't lifelike, in much the same way that an Elmer the Elephant isn't lifelike.
Children do not differentiate between colours in people until they have been taught to do so by circumstance. Show a gollywog to a child and they will see a cuddly toy with a happy face, they will not see a negative representation of a black person unless forced to do so by an adult. It only becomes a racist toy when an adult evaluates it against history and personal perception. Imo anyway. I agree that children won't know unless they are taught. I had a golliwog as a child and it certainly didn't turn me into a racist. But now we are adults, and we do evaluate things against a history that a small child simply can't be expected to know. I wouldn't give one to my child, knowing what I now know as an adult. Again, it isn't the colour that is the problem, it's the nasty stereotype. |
Re: Gollywogs are back!
Man, even though I think gollywogs are wrong, they still make me laugh...
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Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 10072932)
It's a doll, it's a caricature, or did you think Barbie was accurate? Getting bent out of shape about it is majorly missing the big picture and the big issues. Net positive in my book - particularly compared to ghetto 'culture' that they'll be exposed to a few years later.
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Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by renth
(Post 10072945)
Man, even though I think gollywogs are wrong, they still make me laugh...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KJnzCs1l5Wk Yeah. It's a great pity they had to use that particular image - it could have been anything really, but no, they had to go down that route. Sigh. |
Re: Gollywogs are back!
Ok.... Golliwogs are kids cuddly toys... As a child I couldnt stand them, they gave me the heebee jeebees.... Does that make me a racist today? I dont like clowns either....
A childs cuddly toy is something that gets tucked up in bed wih them, gives them reassurance, something to cuddle/love... Like teddy bears... See where I'm going????????? |
Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
(Post 10072950)
Yeah. It's a great pity they had to use that particular image - it could have been anything really, but no, they had to go down that route. Sigh.
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Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by eddie007
(Post 10072951)
Ok.... Golliwogs are kids cuddly toys... As a child I couldnt stand them, they gave me the heebee jeebees.... Does that make me a racist today? I dont like clowns either....
A childs cuddly toy is something that gets tucked up in bed wih them, gives them reassurance, something to cuddle/love... Like teddy bears... See where I'm going????????? You could make a cuddly toy out of anything. This particular cuddly toy is made in the form of an ugly racial stereotype that has been used to denigrate black people for a long time. Why go out of our way to copy that for a toy? It makes no sense. |
Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by eddie007
(Post 10072951)
I dont like clowns either....
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Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by eddie007
(Post 10072954)
Exactly the kind of reaction one would expect in 2012... You are Watching that out of historical context with perfect hindsight
And this is bad why? We learn and advance, do we not? There are many things as a culture that we no longer consider acceptable. |
Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
(Post 10072948)
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. Yes, a golly is a caricature, one that has been used historically in a derogatory way toward black people. Why pick that particular caricature for your cuddly toy?
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Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 10072962)
The toy came first, then individuals, such as yourself, decided that it was derogatory (together with Enid Blyton casting them as thieves). It's not the doll, the problem lies elsewhere. You deal with the problem, not the ephemera.
Attitudes towards non-whites, by whites, changed. I would say that that was a net gain, given what those attitudes used to entail. Those images used to be perfectly acceptable in the context of a highly racist society. Things have changed, so yes, people then decided that the use of images of racial stereotyping is now unacceptable. Time has moved on. You will not get rid of racism by not creating gollliwogs. Rather, continuing to find them acceptable is more of a symptom of the work yet to be done. |
Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by renth
(Post 10072960)
Clownist!
I wonder if they do midget dolls to represent the midget population or amputee dolls? If you didnt like amputees, you could be an 'amputeeist'.:lol: |
Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by Cheetah7
(Post 10072974)
:rofl::rofl:
I wonder if they do midget dolls to represent the midget population or amputee dolls? If you didnt like amputees, you could be an 'amputeeist'.:lol: |
Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by eddie007
(Post 10072977)
You can still find those little TROLL dolls... What were they called? Gonks?
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Re: Gollywogs are back!
Originally Posted by Cheetah7
(Post 10072980)
I had a Gonk! I loved my gonk, wonder if they still make them?
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