View Poll Results: Which statement do you agree with
Global warming is caused by humans
27
19.01%
Global warming is a natural process, contribution of human activity is substantial
44
30.99%
Global warming is a natural process, contribution of human activity is negligible
65
45.77%
Global warming seems unlikely
6
4.23%
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Global warming
Feb 9th 2010 | 10:42 am
#842
Demi-God
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,812
From: Far North Queensland
Re: Global warming
If the sun increases its energy output we get warmer. If the sun decreases its energy output we get cooler. Are you saying that we can guarantee a particular mean climatic temperature? Can Kevin Rudd now control the sun?
Feb 9th 2010 | 10:44 am
#844
Demi-God
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,812
From: Far North Queensland
Re: Global warming
In trying to overcome criticism of earlier attempts to gauge the view of earth scientists on global warming and the human impact factor, Doran and Kendall Zimmerman sought the opinion of the most complete list of earth scientists they could find, contacting more than 10,200 experts around the world listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments.
The climatologists are most certain that humans play a role in the planet's warming.
Two questions were key: have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.
About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.
In analyzing responses by sub-groups, Doran found that climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role. Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 and 64 percent respectively believing in human involvement. Doran compared their responses to a recent poll showing only 58 percent of the public thinks human activity contributes to global warming.
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/005889.html
The climatologists are most certain that humans play a role in the planet's warming.
Two questions were key: have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.
About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.
In analyzing responses by sub-groups, Doran found that climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role. Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 and 64 percent respectively believing in human involvement. Doran compared their responses to a recent poll showing only 58 percent of the public thinks human activity contributes to global warming.
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/005889.html
We know what they believe.
What can they prove?
Feb 9th 2010 | 10:50 am
#845
Demi-God
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,812
From: Far North Queensland
Re: Global warming
But it is insignificant in respect of all the other factors involved in our climate.
The world is warming. Naturally. Someday it will start cooling. Naturally. Then it will start warming up again.
Feb 9th 2010 | 10:52 am
#846
Not allowed opinions.
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 4,565
From: Sydney
Re: Global warming
I would go so far as to say the GW/AGW is woefully underfunded, given its impacts both to the planet and to our economy.
Research still hasn’t reached the NASA Apollo type inertia.
We haven’t even proved yet that the planet is worming, let alone by how much.
Research still hasn’t reached the NASA Apollo type inertia.
We haven’t even proved yet that the planet is worming, let alone by how much.
Feb 9th 2010 | 10:54 am
#847
Demi-God
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,812
From: Far North Queensland
Re: Global warming
I found a worm yesterday. In my garden. OH MY GOD!!!!
Feb 9th 2010 | 12:29 pm
#848
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 414
From: In a paper bag
Re: Global warming
To be fair Iolande:
To parphase George Bernard Shaw: 'If you laid all of the worlds scientists end to end they wouldn’t reach a conclusionâ€
There are a lot of good scientists who don’t believe in AGW, and a lot who are unconvinced.
What is absent from this comment is the word “think†– these 90% and 85% THINK global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures respectively.
What they don’t say is “I knowâ€, because as yet no on knows.
Not that long ago in our evolution great men thought the world was flat. I care little for what great men think, only what they know....
To parphase George Bernard Shaw: 'If you laid all of the worlds scientists end to end they wouldn’t reach a conclusionâ€
There are a lot of good scientists who don’t believe in AGW, and a lot who are unconvinced.
What is absent from this comment is the word “think†– these 90% and 85% THINK global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures respectively.
What they don’t say is “I knowâ€, because as yet no on knows.
Not that long ago in our evolution great men thought the world was flat. I care little for what great men think, only what they know....
Besides - the flat earth story is apocryphal . . .
Feb 9th 2010 | 12:35 pm
#849
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 414
From: In a paper bag
Re: Global warming
Well that sorts that out then.
Feb 9th 2010 | 12:38 pm
#850
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 414
From: In a paper bag
Re: Global warming
just because I love putting in statistics to see how others dismiss them . . .
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1615/Environment.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1615/Environment.aspx
Feb 9th 2010 | 1:29 pm
#851
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 414
From: In a paper bag
Re: Global warming
Out of curiosity, can you please the following question (whether you are a believer or non-believer?
What single piece of evidence would it take to change your mind about the theory of anthropogenic global warming?
What single piece of evidence would it take to change your mind about the theory of anthropogenic global warming?
Feb 9th 2010 | 1:46 pm
#853
Account Closed
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 9,316
Re: Global warming
A bit like Buddhists but without the certainty of truth.
Feb 9th 2010 | 2:11 pm
#854
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 9,400
Re: Global warming
All these words get bandied around: "believe", "think", "prove" and so on.
We all know what the posters mean - it's not really useful to split hairs and invoke the dictionary!
The corollary to what you are saying is that the people who have nothing to do with climate research should be taken more seriously that those who do it. That's like saying a hundred surgeons' unanimous diagnosis is more likely to be correct than the milkman's - they have a vested interest in it, he doesn't.
I think everyone knows what a "denier" is in this context - and "believer". No need to bring in religious sideswipes.
