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Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Which ever way you slice it or dice it, Labor are gone at the next election.. I'd much rather have well meaning but ineffective government than biggoted evil-doers. Perhaps the best we can hope for is a Tony Abbott to cling on and remain leader *just* long enough to get through the next election - so that the Lib majority isnt too big and he can prove himself to be as much of a twat as possible without doing too much harm before retunring to a re-organised Labor government 3 years later? I might just about be able to stomach 3 years of Lib without having to leave the country as long as theres a realistic chance of Tony being de-throned reasonably quickly. Quite simply the man scares me.... He shouldnt be put in charge of ANYTHING.... EVER |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Originally Posted by DadAgain
(Post 9595684)
It does *look* that way - but I still cling on to the hope that the Australian people will baulk at the final hurdle and realise that putting Tony Abbott in the top job is an apalling proposition - better to stick with the current bunch of incompetants than turn to the 'dark lord' for salvation.
I'd much rather have well meaning but ineffective government than biggoted evil-doers. Perhaps the best we can hope for is a Tony Abbott to cling on and remain leader *just* long enough to get through the next election - so that the Lib majority isnt too big and he can prove himself to be as much of a twat as possible without doing too much harm before retunring to a re-organised Labor government 3 years later? I might just about be able to stomach 3 years of Lib without having to leave the country as long as theres a realistic chance of Tony being de-throned reasonably quickly. Quite simply the man scares me.... He shouldnt be put in charge of ANYTHING.... EVER |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Originally Posted by HelenTD
(Post 9595664)
I can't see how the proposed carbon tax will help the environment, mainly because the compensation offered negates it.
I'd say it will fail mainly due to the fact that Australia's global contribution is negligable compared to most. It may help some people sleep at night, under the illustion that they've saved a nation and its children, but until critical nations join or follow suit or do anything, everyone's carbon footrpint per capita will still just keep going up and up. Australian's included. You cant cherry pick the countries you save. If the minerals stop, or demand dries up, the rest of the world will pay less attention to Australia, and when we have figures like Gillard and Abbot as the 'spokespeople', It'll just make people ignore us faster. |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 9595695)
He appeals to the aspirational working man, which is no bad thing IMO.
If the Liberals had someone more charasmatic than Abbot, a thinker not a constant reacter, a forward planner, and a global player, it would be a landslide. Although I was new to the country at the 07 elections, it seemed to be more of a people's favourtie politician than any kind of party ideaology. "Kevin 07" not Labor. My opinion is that John Howard should have stepped down and allowed Costello to establish a presence and lead the party for those elections. The results could have been different. I think people were just sick of Howard and his perpetually sorrowful face. I know its a political game but I love all the overuse of trigger words and phrases like "its teh Workchoicez!!!111!!". Next time it will be 'Carbon Pricing' |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Originally Posted by In Exile
(Post 9595707)
but, paradoxically, wasnt that always the core manifesto in the origins of the Labor Party?
The aspirational working man (cashed up Bogan would be the modern Aussie equivalent) is different - he is someone who wants to better himself through his own effort, to break away from the collective. Thatcher, Reagan, Howard are the kind of leader who appeal/ed to them. |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 9595674)
...but the next few decisions they make will decide whether they will be wiped out for a generation or just get beaten.
Tony Abbot in office for one term with a significant opposition may be more tenable than him in office for several terms as labour has to rebuild support.
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 9595720)
Thatcher, Reagan...
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Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Originally Posted by Charismatic
(Post 9595799)
While I appreciate there was some overlap they had very different policies overall.
It's one of the reasons that there is no longer a real working-class in the UK. |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes
(Post 9594600)
Julie Bishop looks quietly poised to me.....we shall see.
Kevin Elevin? |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
I guess the strangest thing in all of this is that polls suggest Australians realise there is an obligation to deal with greenhouse gases. Rather than pretending to listen though Labour seem intent on shoving carbon tax as deeply as possible down voters throats with total disregard for the consequences. A good government would have been (past tenths, it’s probably too late now) able to take voters along on this.
If they had managed to do so and maintain public support the sleaze, misappropriation of funding and bankruptcy by one MP wouldn’t have been such a big issue. They’d have a shiny new candidate take his place and remain in government :thumbup:. If Labour are looking to blame anyone they should look to themselves, the Coalition haven’t been a particularly effective opposition and by no means have a charismatic or popular leadership. |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Originally Posted by DeadVim
(Post 9595808)
Sweet Jesus no, I'd rather have the Mad Monk.
Kevin Elevin? |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Gillard- Complete amateur.
Smith- He's the man. |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
I'm a liberal voter but I'm not comfortable with Abbot at all. Joe Hockey might be a better bet; not Turnbull, can't stand the bastard.
I hated Rudd, thank god he's gone - anyone thinking of putting him back in must have rocks in their head, there is a reason why they got rid of him remember ? If Gillard wasn't in bed with the Greens and the Independents [i.e. had a proper majority] I would like to hope the policies coming out of the government would be more reasoned. However they aren't and it's time for a change. p.s. The independents are already screaming that they only agreed to support Gillard, not another leader - no doubt hoping to save themselves from the forthcoming turfing-out at the next election. As for the Greens - I dearly hope that particular genie gets put back in its rightful box..er..lamp. |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Originally Posted by hoofie2002
(Post 9595983)
The independents are already screaming that they only agreed to support Gillard, not another leader - no doubt hoping to save themselves from the forthcoming turfing-out at the next election.
Bringing back Rudd (assuming he is gullible enough to take the post) isn't going to be a silver bullet, even if they U-turn again and pull carbon tax/stop the boats/reach out to manufacturing unions etc. the public will still have a bitter taste. |
Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
Gillard is hopelessly out of her depth, her govt. in it's death throes trying to cling on like a turd in a toilet. The whole thing is eventually going down the pan, it's just a case of when.
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Re: Gillard's 3rd Strike
"There will be no change of leader under a government I lead"
said Gillard.(makes sense sort of ) "There will be no Carbon Tax " said Gillard "The Government has lost its way " said Gillard "Kevin Rudd has my full backing" said Gillard Which comment is most likely to be the one The Real Julia said ? The optimism of Labor is all but gone , should never have aligned with that toxic Bob Brown Eye for starters , theres no way the Greens would ever have supported the Liberals. |
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