Buzzy--Bee

English women are phenomenally cliquey. If you're not in the current clique, you don't exist.

I gave up dating English women 25 years ago.

BB

moneypenny20

I'm not cliquey. Generalisations are shit. Disclaimer: I've never dated an English woman so I don't have the same experience

Buzzy--Bee

Sorry the 2 facts are not connected.

Mrs Buzzy finds English women incredibly cliquey.

I haven't dated an English woman in 25 years.

Feel free to draw a Venn Diagram.

BB

Grayling

My wife found Australian women incredibly cliquey

Beoz

I agree with you for once on that. Great in bed though.

Grayling

How would you know?

moneypenny20

He's been a busy busy boy!

Beoz

It's been a long time. Have things changed since the 90's?

Pollyana

Based on experiences over the last couple of weeks, Aussie women and British women can both be as bitchy and as two-faced as the other. There are also Aussie women who are good trustworthy friends, and British women who are the same.
Trust me, nationality doesn't come into it.

carolinephillips

northernbird

My experience has been that Australian women can be as bitchy as British women but are far more up front about it. My experience is that British women are more likely to talk about you behind your back whereas Australian women have told me to my face what they think. As I said, just my experience

BadgeIsBack

Love these threads. I don't think it's a nationality thing, agree with all the BE girls above. If there is common ground I would make a friend with an Australian before an English person. I've had English people take me aside and start talking about biscuits and soccer: and gush about 'it's the English thing' : (if that's the English thing then I'm not that keen on it!) and I've not been able to contribute..!

Personally, I think it's a matter of ethics and focus. Stay away from the inane and ordinary and doors open. I was reading one of the return to UK threads just now where people compare and contrast..(I can barely differentiate them all). it's all similar: the good thing about being a migrant or an expat is life experience: that experience gives you lots of opportunity to stay away from the negative and to keep moving forwards, or you can choose to swim in a mediocrity of expat life...I've seen both, I chose to avoid expat life in Melbourne but did experience it first-hand in Europe.

I find English people do tend to agonise about little things and get into little stews. Australians are a bit more laid back, but actually more conformist and conservative, makes for less maintenance you might say. It's swings and roundabouts...working hard and playing hard (apologies for cliches) seems to help...

Cheers

BadgeIsBack

I think G,if you start as an outsider you will always be an outsider until you are accepted. This has always been the case and it can take time in any group.

Common ground helps of course, I was taking to a bloke the other day who has a passion for mountaineering : been to many different continents in the pursuit of experiences...you don't need to support a Premiership football team or be born within the UK to be able to get out of the house and in the Great Outdoors..

.My wife started as an outsider and in some ways is now on the inside and even part of the lifeblood of the dynamic....But she has always had an ability to get on, to be likeable, to be kind, to be straightforward. I've watched her do it and people just like her. Social skills which get you places in many groups. If they don't, probably not worth the effort maybe.

If people are slow to admit people to their group then maybe the group ain't that great..

BadgeIsBack

Just one more thing...it's a bit quiet.

I know someone who has moved to SE Qld, that slightly less popular and controversial destination of choice..

This bloke is the quintessential Englishman, quite possibly the finest of his generation! There was nothing he was lacking: famous old school, Oxbridge, Royal Navy, you name it.

He's doing famously. It's basically his application that is getting him places. His privilege and life experience helps but you nonetheless have to have a crack at it...

Hebe

I find that you have to go out there and find your friends. If you are quiet and shy then you will find it harder than someone who's outgoing but it is not impossible.

I made many good friends when I lived in Melbourne both Aussie and British and they are still good friends even though I moved to Auckland nearly two years ago. In fact 20 of them came over for my birthday earlier this year. It think it takes a bit of effort by all parties but particularly those that are new to the area. You have to push your way in if you really like them.

Now in Auckland I have a another bunch of friends. One of them I went to India with recently and another bunch (in fact 12 of us) are going to Rarotonga in March for a girls holiday with some crossfit thrown in.

Bite the bullet and invite people round or out for a coffee drink - you never know, this may be your next BFF!