Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 9861240)

Why would you assume that?

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 9861243)

I thought it was 'a given' that anyone who goes against accepted anti-smoking doctrine had to be in the pockets of the cig companies. No?

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 9861247)

Not that I'm aware of. Perhaps in your world that's the way you see it.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 9861251)

..and yet you just did exactly that, finding a link, that claims the author of the first report was paid by tobacco companies. :confused:

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 9861262)

I didn't say anyone who doesn't find a link with passive smoking is paid by tobacco companies though.

Are you not at all interested in the credentials and background of people who have conducted the research? You only care that you've found a piece of research that supports your predisposed viewpoint? Anyone can do that for any subject.

Personally I find that odd. :confused:

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 9861262)

I didn't say anyone who doesn't find a link with passive smoking is paid by tobacco companies though.

Are you not at all interested in the credentials and background of people who have conducted the research? You only care that you've found a piece of research that supports your predisposed viewpoint? Anyone can do that for any subject.

Personally I find that odd. :confused:

Originally Posted by Ptp113 (Post 9861264)

Tossers smoke!

Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 9861231)

Even if you completely discount the health issues not being in the pocket of Big Tobacco is a large motivator for not doing it.

That and being addicted to anything is bad. And the costs. For no benefit (it don't relax you, it doesn't keep you thin, it does nothing a smoker says it does).

I'm not going to go all righteous ex-smoker on yo ass, I understand why people do it and how they justify it.

I was that soldier. 20 years of it.

The "Would you encourage your kids/partner/mother to smoke?" question is one worth pondering. Let's be honest, nobody would and the vast majority of smokers would like to go back to before they started.

To anyone interested and hasn't heard me bang on about it before, I read Allan Carr's "Easy Way To Stop Smoking". It don't preach it just removes the brainwashing.

If you don't want something you can't miss it. No willpower required. :thumbup:

Having said all that the government should make them illegal, stop collecting the tax or STFU with the nannying.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 9861276)

Ex-smoker friend of mine says that tobacco is a rubbish drug - all it does, while you are actually smoking, is stop you from wanting a cigarette.

Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 9861313)

Yeh, it's amazingly pointless isn't it?

The only thing you are doing is satisfying the craving.

Given what it costs you might as well do the same thing with something herbal, at least you might get something out of it.

A sleep, a smile, a taste for funky basslines, no taste in clothes ...

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 9861269)

You must be a 60 a day man then?

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 9861318)

And not only that, it now turns out that mushrooms might actually be good for you. Apparently they relieve depression and OCD symptoms. Why we are still selling addictive little heart attack cancer sticks is beyond me.

Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 9861329)

To say nothing of the benefits of cannabis, to some people.

There are, of course, serious risks.

A liking for tie-died t-shirts and suspect hair to name but two.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 9861332)

The thing is to give the patient proper support so that he goes down the reggae/ska road and not that of the Grateful Dead.