Details? That's my point, people didn't vote on the details just the bald in or out and most of those who voted out saw it merely as a curb on immigration and no more.

Scotch is a drink. May is not saying you can't have a referendumactually; she's saying not before Brexit; Sturgeon wants it before.

As usual you only ramble on about "the will of the people" or democracy prevailing when it suits your agenda. As soon as it doesn't you do a quick 180.

Denying Scotland a vote is quite undemocratic. They're being dragged out of the EU against their will, so asking the people which road they would like to follow (stick to Downing Street's brexit madness or go it alone and seek quick re-entry into the EU) definitely seems like something they should be allowed to do in the very near future.

yep I think that's right with the very near future being just after the actual Brexit

I think you underestimate the Scottish public, Sturgeon thinks the begging bowl will be fuller if rattled towards the EU but in reality the Austerity imposed on them as a condition of membership will be the end of the SNP. If they held another referendum now the result would be the same.

Rubbish

The UK government does have the right to block a 2nd Scotch vote - whether they do or not is up to them - and the voters will judge them on this decision. Democracy or "the will of the people" at work again

I personally think it would be a bad idea for Scotland to leave the UK - but it's not up to me is it

Democracy, as opposed to left-wing me, me, me politics is a wonderful thing

Sturgeon wants it when the terms are known and at the same time as the EU countries vote. This means that May cannot trade away Scotland's assets to gain a better deal for the south of England.

Technically they do, but not a very good idea. The Scots will have their referendum whether May agrees or not. Independence is the best thing that could happen to Scotland.

Technically they could go ahead with a referendum if Westminster doesn't allow one but it would be fraught with difficulty. There are many separatist movements in Europe - Flemish, Northern Italian, Catalonian etc - that the EU does not want and allowing Scotland to unilaterally declare independence would be taken with a dim view by them

Not my fight BTW. I think independence for the Scotch would be a bad idea but it's not up to me

Details

Scotch, Scots - same thing

The full terms will take 2 years to thrash out, and they won't be the finished article, The EU will be like an exam admistrator, aaaaaaannndd pens down

I'm from the south of England from this place, don't get hung up on us having the best deal, we didn't. Estate of the nation: The real life of UK's council flat tenants - Mirror Online

If the Scots get their independance, and I'm neither here nor there on it, how long before they stop blaming the English for everything?

As a bi-stander a deficit of 10% GDP is going to mean the SNP will be known as the Austerity party, which they'll blame on England and eventually Europe. Westminster has been very kind to the Scots, but by the time that's realised, it may be too late.

The only thing I want to say is Westminster has never been kind to the Scots and as the Scots parliament cannot borrow it has to balance the books with the pocket money that Westminster returns to it. Westminster apportions a percentage of its debt to the devolved administrations. Scotland doesn't blame the English for anything, only Westminster. There is a difference. Sorry I said more than one thing.

Westminster screws whoever they can get away with screwing, the Scots are nothing special in that respect. Do you think the EU is going to be any kinder?

Any evidence for that? Because as someone that has been campaigning to leave the EU for decades, what I have seen on the ground is the exact opposite

You do know that Scotland currently receives between 10 and 20% more than it generates in income under the Barnett formula?

what assets did you have in mind?