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GarryP Jun 29th 2016 10:54 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
So Boris is NOT standing for PM ! :huh:

Hell, please don't say Teresa May, please.

Charismatic Jun 29th 2016 11:29 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11989916)
So Boris is NOT standing for PM ! :huh:

Hell, please don't say Teresa May, please.

So you are a Gove supporter? I suppose it would be good to have another Scottish PM. At least if Gove becomes PM we can be sure the NHS won't get any Brexit money, he hates the NHS.

GarryP Jun 29th 2016 11:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Charismatic (Post 11989940)
So you are a Gove supporter? I suppose it would be good to have another Scottish PM. At least if Gove becomes PM we can be sure the NHS won't get any Brexit money, he hates the NHS.

Gove is a slimy piece of sh*t as well.

None of them are up to negotiating with the eurocrats.

Amazulu Jun 30th 2016 12:45 am

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Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11989916)
So Boris is NOT standing for PM ! :huh:

Hell, please don't say Teresa May, please.

Is she genuinely right-wing? If so she would be an excellent choice

Although he was basically too liberal for my liking, Cameron was okay - and despite being basically left-wing, his government has been the most effective since Thatcher, going a long was to repairing the destruction, waste and massive debt left by the hateful socialist governments of Blair and Brown

As long as the new government keeps on with the policies of austerity, but harsher and deeper, continuing to cut debt and firing many more of their passengers, sorry, civil servants, they'll go a long way to saving their nation - and brexit will become less of an issue

Hearts must be hardened - and knives must be sharpened

Alfresco Jul 6th 2016 10:02 am

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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 11988608)
LOL..... bleeding typo and a half that one....

Reminds of a joke:

An old lady was sitting on bus when a young sailor got on and sat next to her. Out of curiosity she asked him what he did in the Navy. He replied that he was naval doctor.

She exclaimed, "Oh my, it's amazing how people specialise these days!"

Alfresco Jul 6th 2016 10:16 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
So what will happen to all the people living there on EU passports?

Charismatic Jul 6th 2016 7:04 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Alfresco (Post 11995856)
So what will happen to all the people living there on EU passports?

They'll go back when jobs dry up in the UK. That's what happened in Ireland after the financial crisis, immigrants went home and young went overseas to see employment.

OzTennis Jul 6th 2016 7:40 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Charismatic (Post 11996103)
They'll go back when jobs dry up in the UK. That's what happened in Ireland after the financial crisis, immigrants went home and young went overseas to see employment.

Theresa May said she 'hoped' EU nationals living in the UK would be allowed to stay but that would depend on whether Brits living on the continent would be allowed to. She's been accused of using EU nationals living in the UK as bargaining chips (by Labour and Brexiters).

There's 3.3 mill EU nationals living in the UK and 1.2 mill Brits living in the other 27 member states.

GarryP Jul 6th 2016 9:15 pm

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Originally Posted by OzTennis (Post 11996111)
Theresa May said she 'hoped' EU nationals living in the UK would be allowed to stay but that would depend on whether Brits living on the continent would be allowed to. She's been accused of using EU nationals living in the UK as bargaining chips (by Labour and Brexiters).

There's 3.3 mill EU nationals living in the UK and 1.2 mill Brits living in the other 27 member states.

They are, obviously, bargaining chips. As is anything that can be used to get the EU to behave itself and not try for punitive behaviours.

It isn't nice, but it is politics.

mikelincs Jul 6th 2016 10:36 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 
Poland has already annouced it's support of the UK, and warned the EU about 'punishing the UK', Austria seems to be on the same wavelength, however, Article 50 has to be got through both houses of Parliament, and as there are a majority of remainers in both houses, then it seems to me that article 50 is due a very stormy future, perhaps even being defeated, which leaves the UK back in the EU. There are so many of the leave people who just hadn't realised what their vote meant that, if they held a second referendum it would be a remain victory. So many people thought that voting to leave would mean we would be able to stop people from those EU nations like Syria, Somalia Kenya etc getting into the UK without visas. Now they realise all it's going to do is make it a lot harder for the NHS to get doctors and nurses, who currently come from the EU in the main part.

Bermudashorts Jul 6th 2016 11:06 pm

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 11996177)
Poland has already annouced it's support of the UK, and warned the EU about 'punishing the UK', Austria seems to be on the same wavelength, however, Article 50 has to be got through both houses of Parliament, and as there are a majority of remainers in both houses, then it seems to me that article 50 is due a very stormy future, perhaps even being defeated, which leaves the UK back in the EU. There are so many of the leave people who just hadn't realised what their vote meant that, if they held a second referendum it would be a remain victory. So many people thought that voting to leave would mean we would be able to stop people from those EU nations like Syria, Somalia Kenya etc getting into the UK without visas. Now they realise all it's going to do is make it a lot harder for the NHS to get doctors and nurses, who currently come from the EU in the main part.

There are plenty of Leave voters on BE. I haven't seen one of them say that they didn't realise what their vote meant or that they thought it would stop migrants but now realise it will mean the NHS can't get doctors. Keep telling yourself that though if it makes you feel better.

mikelincs Jul 6th 2016 11:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 11996207)
There are plenty of Leave voters on BE. I haven't seen one of them say that they didn't realise what their vote meant or that they thought it would stop migrants but now realise it will mean the NHS can't get doctors. Keep telling yourself that though if it makes you feel better.

The areas that had the largest percentage of leave voters were to northern town and cities where there are many immigrants, however these are the places targeted by the 'they're taking our jobs' 'they are all muslim fanatics'
groups of people trying to get people to vote leave, and that's playing on peoples fears, which they did successfully. There are areas of the UK where they voted 'leave', and that meant leaving the organisation that was funding many of the projects that were creating jobs for the areas, noe peopl in thos places are crying to the government asking them to take over the funding of the projects, with what though, they are also the people who believed the UKIP and Leave people who were saying that leaving would free up 350 million pounds a week to be used by the NHS, a fact they have now admitted was a lie, the people who believed the UKIP posters of the 'millions' of people queueing up to come into the UK. Withing hours of the vote results there were instances of people who had been here years, and were even born here having 'Go Home' shouted at them and being jostled on public transport. The number of hate crimes being reported to the police went up from an average of 600 a month to something like 3000 in a week.
The 'leave' people even admitted that while they had no idea what to do about the result as they had made no plans, that the UK would have join the EEA to retain the trading status, and that that would mean agreeing to freedom of movement for workers, just like it is at the moment.

astera Jul 7th 2016 10:01 am

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Saw one guy on tv who said that Europeans were fine, but that he voted 'leave' because he didn't want people coming in from elsewhere. Doh. That's why the UK chose not to be part of the Schengen agreement - so that everyone could be checked at our doorstep.

The entire 'leave' campaign was based on insinuations and lies, with the aim to mislead and instil the worst of feelings in people. Hordes of people swallowed the NHS bs hook, line and sinker. Who knows how many simply thought this would be a one-way street where we kick everyone out, nobody kicks us out of Spain or elsewhere (how could they, right?)... and trade goes on as usual with both the EU and US (based on current agreements).

And yet as soon as the results were announced, the 'leave' head honchos were all backtracking on absolutely everything from the NHS to immigration. Seems like some people got taken for a ride... though they'll still not admit they were actually duped. :)

Swerv-o Jul 7th 2016 11:16 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 11996177)
... however, Article 50 has to be got through both houses of Parliament, and as there are a majority of remainers in both houses, then it seems to me that article 50 is due a very stormy future, perhaps even being defeated, which leaves the UK back in the EU.


I think this has yet to be decided - The government are asserting that the Prime Minister can action Article 50 alone, however the case currently before the courts asserts that there needs to be a vote in the houses. I suspect that the government won't want this to end up being heard, as it could form precedent that they won't want in the future.


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Swerv-o Jul 7th 2016 11:33 am

Re: Did the UK do the right thing in voting to leave the E.U.
 

Originally Posted by Charismatic (Post 11996103)
They'll go back when jobs dry up in the UK. That's what happened in Ireland after the financial crisis, immigrants went home and young went overseas to see employment.


Do you think jobs are likely to dry up then?


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