Desalination Plant,Expensive Joke?
Sep 9th 2010, 11:37 am
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Sep 9th 2010, 11:48 am
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http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/09/news...othing_prices/
Cotton prices have nearly doubled this year, hitting a near 15-year high, and expected to double again...
and
Australian authorities warn worse flooding to come
It just isn't easy is it
Sep 9th 2010, 12:27 pm
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Re: Desalination Plant,Expensive Joke?
News just in... World Cotton Shortage pushing up Cotton prices...
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/09/news...othing_prices/
Cotton prices have nearly doubled this year, hitting a near 15-year high, and expected to double again...
and
Australian authorities warn worse flooding to come
It just isn't easy is it
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/09/news...othing_prices/
Cotton prices have nearly doubled this year, hitting a near 15-year high, and expected to double again...
and
Australian authorities warn worse flooding to come
It just isn't easy is it
Sep 9th 2010, 1:35 pm
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Re: Desalination Plant,Expensive Joke?
News just in... World Cotton Shortage pushing up Cotton prices...
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/09/news...othing_prices/
Cotton prices have nearly doubled this year, hitting a near 15-year high, and expected to double again...
and
Australian authorities warn worse flooding to come
It just isn't easy is it
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/09/news...othing_prices/
Cotton prices have nearly doubled this year, hitting a near 15-year high, and expected to double again...
and
Australian authorities warn worse flooding to come
It just isn't easy is it
But what happens when we hit drought again? The cotton growers will still want a huge amount of water to support their crop, where growing something else would be much more sustainable over a longer period of time...
S
Sep 9th 2010, 2:29 pm
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Re: Desalination Plant,Expensive Joke?
It's also incredibly expensive, because the 'cleaning' mechanism is a very inefficient way of extracting carbon dioxide from the products of combustion. Plus you still need to steam clean the remaining combustion products to reduce the SO2 and NO2 contents, and there is still no real way of reducing the mercury that is emitted.
I remain to be convinced on the efficiency of Clean Coal - It seems to be more hype than actual workable system. Plus, what do you do with all of the CO2 that has been extracted? They say it can be sequestered below ground, but what happens if it ever leaks? A huge leak of CO2 will suffocate just about everything in the area.
S
Sep 9th 2010, 2:58 pm
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The main reason I bring it up is that it is taken seriously as a nuclear alternative here and the US.
I look forward to serious independent evaluations of what is not even yet developed. There are a lot of vested interests in coal in NSW and QLD hence I want a thorough examination.
I look forward to serious independent evaluations of what is not even yet developed. There are a lot of vested interests in coal in NSW and QLD hence I want a thorough examination.
It's also incredibly expensive, because the 'cleaning' mechanism is a very inefficient way of extracting carbon dioxide from the products of combustion. Plus you still need to steam clean the remaining combustion products to reduce the SO2 and NO2 contents, and there is still no real way of reducing the mercury that is emitted.
I remain to be convinced on the efficiency of Clean Coal - It seems to be more hype than actual workable system. Plus, what do you do with all of the CO2 that has been extracted? They say it can be sequestered below ground, but what happens if it ever leaks? A huge leak of CO2 will suffocate just about everything in the area.
S
I remain to be convinced on the efficiency of Clean Coal - It seems to be more hype than actual workable system. Plus, what do you do with all of the CO2 that has been extracted? They say it can be sequestered below ground, but what happens if it ever leaks? A huge leak of CO2 will suffocate just about everything in the area.
S
Sep 9th 2010, 3:59 pm
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Sep 9th 2010, 4:04 pm
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Unfortunately drought means no water, so sustainable or not there is still no water.
Sep 9th 2010, 4:07 pm
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Sep 9th 2010, 5:19 pm
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Re: Desalination Plant,Expensive Joke?
News just in... World Cotton Shortage pushing up Cotton prices...
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/09/news...othing_prices/
Cotton prices have nearly doubled this year, hitting a near 15-year high, and expected to double again...
and
Australian authorities warn worse flooding to come
It just isn't easy is it
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/09/news...othing_prices/
Cotton prices have nearly doubled this year, hitting a near 15-year high, and expected to double again...
and
Australian authorities warn worse flooding to come
It just isn't easy is it
1) cotton farming wouldn't survive as a private business without the States and Cth buying huge amounts of water rights for their consumption. If growing cotton were viable without subsidy in Australia, then the behemoth agricorps would be interested in buying their own water and building their own desalination plants. But they don't - cause it's a crap idea that only governments spending "someone else's money" would undertake.
2) and even if it were profitable in the longterm and the state weren't underwriting it, it would still be made at the expense of buggering up the riverflows, the environment and limiting expansion of the cities.
Sep 9th 2010, 5:52 pm
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Yes, it is.
1) cotton farming wouldn't survive as a private business without the States and Cth buying huge amounts of water rights for their consumption. If growing cotton were viable without subsidy in Australia, then the behemoth agricorps would be interested in buying their own water and building their own desalination plants. But they don't - cause it's a crap idea that only governments spending "someone else's money" would undertake.
2) and even if it were profitable in the longterm and the state weren't underwriting it, it would still be made at the expense of buggering up the riverflows, the environment and limiting expansion of the cities.
1) cotton farming wouldn't survive as a private business without the States and Cth buying huge amounts of water rights for their consumption. If growing cotton were viable without subsidy in Australia, then the behemoth agricorps would be interested in buying their own water and building their own desalination plants. But they don't - cause it's a crap idea that only governments spending "someone else's money" would undertake.
2) and even if it were profitable in the longterm and the state weren't underwriting it, it would still be made at the expense of buggering up the riverflows, the environment and limiting expansion of the cities.
only 10% of cotton irrigation comes from State Dams ,the rest is from on farm catchment - where is the subsidy ?
All irrigation properties in Irrigation Districts get a allocation depending on how much water is in the Dams which they pay for.
No desal water goes towards any inland agriculture -its all city consumption
The only city reliant on an irrigation Dam is Adelaide
Agricorps do buy and sell water all the time (NSW mainly as Vic. is still regulated by archaic laws )
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this is a different argument as it was started by the NSW Govt. (both parties )
in there quest to sell as much water as possible for the highest price.
Sep 9th 2010, 6:27 pm
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Desalinated water for the cities would be unnecessary if it weren't for the wasteful activities upstream.
Sep 9th 2010, 6:50 pm
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to them of the Dams capacity. Even if there is no water they still have to pay for their share .
Small irrigation farm $30,000 a year. There is no revenue from the general NSW taxpayer used by the Dept. of Water its all funded by irrigation users.
Sydney , Melbourne and Brisbane are not in any Irrigation catchment area, they are not "downstream" of any wasteful activities but their own.
