Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 10562836)

Did you forget this? http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...&postcount=339 Perhaps some megadoses of your miracle vitamins will help with the memory loss.

Originally Posted by Bernieboy (Post 10562911)

You need to stay off the booze mate,yer comimg across a bit mmmmm odd:blink:

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10563304)

No, not at all. My topic and studied (not only googled) knowledge is orthomolecular treatments, mindfulness, etc. If people aren't interested in those then that's their prerogative but I find it terribly sad if through their closed mindedness and misplaced trust in their pharmaceutically-trained doctors it means they miss the opportunity to try something that for many people is near to a cure for early to medium stage anxiety/depression -> psychosis/bipolar symptoms. And if you are a parent of a child suffering any of the above, you will be deeply neglectful if after having been provided with the seeds of this knowledge, you fail to investigate further and try the treatments out. The treatments are not a quick and superficial fix like pharmaceuticals and that is possibly the problem because many people these days expect instant gratification. It takes many many months of dogged commitment to win. In the case near me it has taken exactly a year but on the plus side there wasn't a hint of a relapse throughout that time. Previously under the 100% pharmaceutical regime there was a relapse on average every three months and at every relapse the situation was growing more frighteningly desparate and hopeless. And all the mainstreams could do was throw growing quantities of pharmaceuticals at the problem. :frown:

So coming back to my earlier dissillusioned decision not to say anything more about it, I have now changed my mind. This is mainly because I will be failing in my duty to spread the knowledge of a treatment that I know can and does help others and also because if I go silent on it it'll suit the bitter and twisted motives of <people> such as yourself.

So what I'm saying is if you and others like you don't like what I'm saying then either ignore my posts or bugger off! ;)



:rofl: You really do need to try harder, Bernie.

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 10563339)

How dare you call me or any other parent neglectful for not trying your snake oil treatments. Telling people to use meditation and vitamins in place of medication for a serious illness is akin to telling a cancer patient that with the right diet and vitamins their diseases can be cured. It is not only unrealistic, but dangerous advice.

And as for resorting to personal abuse and name calling it is clearly unnecessary and in my opinion the last resort of someone who cannot think of a rational arguement.

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10563402)

Don't get on your high horse to me! Who said anything about snake oil? And your cancer comparison is just plain devious. If you took the time to properly read my posts you would see that I have been careful to state that a changeover in treatment needs to be very carefully managed and with the guidance of experts in the field. And as for the alleged abuse: it's only abuse if it's false.

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 10563432)

I've read quite a bit of this thread, and your posts do worry me. I have suffered from pretty severe depression in the past, and moderate depression more recently. I have tried conventional therapies but find the best methods include routine, diet, exercise and communication. The information I have found is startling in that some of what is suggested seems dangerous even if monitored, even causing death in some cases. Do you have information that compares the effectiveness of the treatments you are suggesting in comparison with more conventional treatments and how these methods are controlled and regulated.

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 10563432)

I've read quite a bit of this thread, and your posts do worry me. I have suffered from pretty severe depression in the past, and moderate depression more recently. I have tried conventional therapies but find the best methods include routine, diet, exercise and communication. The information I have found is startling in that some of what is suggested seems dangerous even if monitored, even causing death in some cases. Do you have information that compares the effectiveness of the treatments you are suggesting in comparison with more conventional treatments and how these methods are controlled and regulated.

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10563514)

Sorry to bombard you with questions but what specific information did you find startling or dangerous? Where has it caused deaths? And if supervised by GPs who are also nutritionists how is it any more dangerous than the shocking side effect profiles of psychotropic drugs? If you look at some of the links I posted recently you can compare the side effects of psychotropic drugs against those of megadoses of vitamins.

This article answers why recovery rates from schizophrenia are 18% in the developing world while it's 64% in the developed world.


Finally, the testimony of a person who has been as good as cured by orthomolecular treatment:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BLWJhj4Mmy8

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 10563522)

The deaths were reported in South Africa where an advocate of orthomolecular medicine conducted trials of megadoses of vitamins and proposed them as a treatment for AIDS - Mathias Rath. The majority of the info is from wikipedia.

Originally Posted by commonwealth (Post 10563317)

when i fewl depressed, i exercise! the body produces a lot of endorphins during exercise and it makes me feel happier.

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 10562450)

Hmmm with bird-brain comments like that maybe you're best leaving your thinking to the doctors and scientists?

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 10563339)

How dare you call me or any other parent neglectful for not trying your snake oil treatments. Telling people to use meditation and vitamins in place of medication for a serious illness is akin to telling a cancer patient that with the right diet and vitamins their diseases can be cured. It is not only unrealistic, but dangerous advice.

And as for resorting to personal abuse and name calling it is clearly unnecessary and in my opinion the last resort of someone who cannot think of a rational arguement.

Originally Posted by lesleys (Post 10563555)

I am a qualified scientist. I have earned my living as a working scientist for over 30 years. Reading around a subject is NOT doing research. Scientific research requires a hypothesis to be tested by experiment and then the published results to be recognised, criticised, developed, discarded or whatever. Can you tell us which publications your research has been published in? Did you conduct a standard double-blind experiment? How many participants?

I have had clinical depression for over 30 years and it is well treated with pharmaceuticals and they have probably saved my life. I am also a long term user of pharmaceuticals for asthma and happily that treatment is successful as well.

Do you agree that there is a link between depression and suicide?

Suicide remains the leading cause of death among Australians between 15 and 34 years of age. Suicide rates for males in this age group have decreased over the past 10 years, with decreases of 34% for 15-24 year olds, and 46% for 25-34 year olds, while for other age groups the suicide rate has remained more stable. There has been little change in the suicide rate for females across all age groups over the past decade. Males account for approximately 3 in 4 suicide deaths.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]&num=&view=

I think that if taking vitamins for depression was a reliable cure it would have been adopted into mainstream medicine by now, in view of just how people die as a result of depression.

If anyone is affected by depression they should seek help from a medically qualified practitioner.

Your depression got better. Good. You are lucky. It is a short-term illness for the majority of sufferers and sometimes passes without medical intervention. But please don't make a non-scientific connection between cause and effect where none has been proved by rigorous clinical tests.

If vitamins work to cure depression then they too are psychotropic, by definition - the state of mind has been changed.

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 10563522)

The deaths were reported in South Africa where an advocate of orthomolecular medicine conducted trials of megadoses of vitamins and proposed them as a treatment for AIDS - Mathias Rath. The majority of the info is from wikipedia.

Originally Posted by cresta57 (Post 10563620)

I used to share that opinion Dot. Then my Dad was diagnosed with prostrate cancer, the very reason we ended up here in Australia. He had blood tests & each time he was tested his Gleason score was worse. He was friends with an Israeli girl who'd been blinded & severely disfigured in a bomb blast. She was into natural healing etc. & devised a strict diet that my dad stuck to for over a year. He went for his usual test & they found no trace of prostrate cancer. Tests were repeated but it had gone completely.
It was a crappy diet including bran, oats & some husk of something for breakfast, wholemeal bread, tomatoes & olive oil for lunch & a fairly normal evening meal. Many foods were simply excluded citrus fruits for example.
It cured him despite the insistence of doctors to have an op.
I'm still sceptical but the powers of the mind & diet must figure.