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I like this one (though of course it wasn't the one I had in mind) :)

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:D

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I'm depressed.:(

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If I dont lose the 27kgs that I have to lose and come off the steroids soon, I am going to be more than depressed, i shall bag myself up and wear a veil.

:(

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Quite. But my point is that the website suggests orthmolecular treatment for cancer AND depression AND everything on this list

In addition to the illnesses listed below, we will shortly have information about the Ortho Molecular Science approach to the following; fertility; smoking addiction; chronic pain, chronic fatigue; hypertension; and optimum health.

Alcoholism
Anxiety
Arthritis
Asthma
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
Autism
Bi-polar Disorder
Cancer
Common Cold Prevention/Treatment
Crohn's Disease
Depression
General Health
High Cholesterol
Huntington's Disease
Learning and Behavior Disorders
Multiple Sclerosis (MS)
Schizophrenia
Shingles (Herpes Zoster)
Weight Loss

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Interesting thing about orthomolecular.com (and thanks for recently making me aware of it because previously I'd only been aware of the .org site) is it's a not-for-profit free site, as is it's partner: PetersPromise.com

In the "About Us" section it says:

and

and

It seems to me that it's a benevolent site and the motives of the sponsor are similar to mine: It worked for them so hopeful that it could help others, they want to share their knowledge. They were very wrong in the last quote though and it's has been a bit of an eye opener really: Knowledge that six months ago I would have given everything I owned and more for is dismissed and thanklessly received by others. ...Just as well that I'm not here to be thanked. :D

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Maybe it should read "They will thank you if it works for them"

Surely like so many similar cures and theories it is likely to work for some and not others.
For instance, i remember arguments on here for and against homeopathy. I would never in a million years use homeopathy again, it F**ked up my life and my health irretrievably. But although I am willing to warn others of that, if someone chooses that path, so be it - it didn't work for me, but it does work for other people. Its down to individual choice.
Same with Chinese herbal medicine. Worked for me (to an extent) but isn't everyone's cup of tea (no pun intended ;)

If by posting this you've made some people aware it exists so they can try it, read more about it etc, thats good, you've brought it to their notice. If they are suffering from cancer or one of the other serious medical conditions listed, using it alongside mainstream medicine might be the way to go though, rather than abandoning other treatments, don't you think?

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I'm at a total loss as to how it can help with Alcoholism or many of the illnesses listed. It's more a fact that you have mentally got yourself into a place where you are attempting to help yourself. To say it's the cure (used in the loosest terms) is naive. It's a frame of mind.

I also don't understand the prevention of cancer statement. There is no way of knowing if you are going to get cancer (having a family history still doesn't mean you will develop it), so using orthomolecular science cannot prove you've prevented it. It's like me saying if I drink Ribena every day will prevent me from getting flu. If I never get flu again does that prove the Ribena worked or does it just mean that I've been lucky enough to not get flu. Bullshit imo.

Nothing against anyone trying anything to help themselves and if they believe that it and it alone has worked then fine and many congrats but for them to make such blanket statements is wrong imo.

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As a person with MS, diet can play a big part, but it does not CURE it. It may help prevent so many relapses or exacerbations. However the diet you have to follow is really hard to do- no meat and basically a paleo diet, plus supplementing with high levels of vitamin D. I certainly cannot stick to it, as it leaves me very anemic and I don't tolerate iron supplements as I have a damaged gut.

I find it very hard to follow the diets proscribed by different health gurus- they all tell me different things. I am gluten free on the advice of a gastrologist, trying to follow prof Jelenik's MS diet, coping with a lactose intolerance and high cholesterol, but also having to have cheese for the calcium as taking vitD and calcium supplements is not good for me.

Anyone who professes to be able to cure MS is mistaken. The diet may bring some relief, but you still have MS.

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You want a real snake oil salesman, google Andreas Moritz with his claim to cure lupus and cancer, he says 'cancer is not a disease but the bodies way of repairing itself and cancer victims often have unsettled issues'

The guy is a twattage of the highest order, liver cleanse my arse.

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Yes definately other treatments shouldn't be abandoned. In my own experience the pharmaceuticals were and still are very much a part of the treatment (though now in ever reducing quantities, thank God). The idea is the pharmas are a fast-acting crutch while the megavitamin treatment is given a chance to "kick-in" with it's positive effects. Also, most of the pharma drugs need to be gradually withdrawn preferabily in the smallest possible increments with long-ish periods between each reduction, gently and responsibly. My advice to anyone thinking of trying it is to maintain an open mind, do your own research and trust your instincts. Oh and get yourself a good nutritionist - preferably one who is also a GP.

I'm not sure that I believe some of the claims made for things like weight loss, cancer, and others and I certainly wouldn't put all of my trust into it any more than I would pharma treatments.

Orthomolecular treatment is unlikely to be a true cure for any of the stated conditions though for some in the longer term, with perseverance and a holistic approach it could eventually help lead to something closely resembling one. If a person can get off a life-sentence of pharmaceuticals and replace them with vitamins then that represents a near enough cure for me. :thumbup:

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I've just taken a deeper look at orthomolecular.com and it turns out that the site sponsor/owner/whatever he is has ms. This is what he had to say. I hope it's a help to you :fingerscrossed:

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See a dietician, not a nutritionist. Dieticians are properly medically trained. Anyone can get a qualification as a nutritionist with very little study, so you may get some who spout a load of rubbish and do more harm than good.

Apologies if I've ruffled anyone's feathers.

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Thank you. I have looked at it, and CCSVI has been studied and is now discredited as a miracle cure for MS. Unlike his assertations, it does carry risk, and people have died. Whilst I agree on having high doses of vit D, having very high doses of other vitamins can be dangerous. I was taking a vit B supplement, but it sent my level shooting up to over 3 times the top end of normal, and so I had to stop. I find his assertations to be rather glib at times. What has worked for him may not work for others as MS is a highly variable disease, and until there has been proper scientific research that has been peer reviewed I will try to use common sense about diet etc and continue to consult with my neurologist and GP before stopping any meds.

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Can I seek some advice please? The person in my family is my 15 year old daughter. She was self harming but has stopped after seeing a clinical psychologist for 10 weeks. I really thought things were improving but she has recently been having trouble sleeping - I have read that insomnia is a symptom of depression.

Today she has come back from school saying she can't go tomorrow, needs to catch up on sleep, can't concentrate, feels super depressed/suicidal, very teary when she's telling me all this.

My instinct is to make her go as to let her sit in room all day would surely make her feel worse and also, if she spends a lot of the day dozing then we're back to her not sleeping properly tomorrow night then she's tired again on Friday.

Would really appreciate some opinions on this - if I try to 'make' her go it's likely to involve me having to drag her out of bed and a lot of stress.
Thanks.