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Beoz Apr 25th 2020 10:16 pm
COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Jump on board everyone and help us work towards freedom.

Leave your self interest conspiracy theories at the door.

Beoz Apr 25th 2020 10:27 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Battery

The good news is, it's way down on the list. 19th battery hogging app. 0.3% here.

Nothing

the troubadour Apr 25th 2020 11:22 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Freedom being of course, the ability of everyone to come to their own conclusions on the matter .

DeadVim Apr 25th 2020 11:53 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Balls to that, I’m stringing this gravy train out.

Beoz Apr 26th 2020 12:32 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12844408)
Freedom being of course, the ability of everyone to come to their own conclusions on the matter .
If you like staying at home and living off welfare then you have a point.

Amazulu Apr 26th 2020 2:04 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12844408)
Freedom being of course, the ability of everyone to come to their own conclusions on the matter .
Installed

Retirednow Apr 27th 2020 8:29 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Installed and registered

Beoz Apr 27th 2020 9:26 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Retirednow (Post 12845089)
Installed and registered
..... and well done to the other plus 2 million who want to be part of the solution.

Amazulu Apr 27th 2020 12:22 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
My wife and son have installed it too. Whole household done

moneypenny20 Apr 27th 2020 4:49 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12844433)
If you like staying at home and living off welfare then you have a point.
Your thought processes are very strange at times.

paulry Apr 28th 2020 3:41 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12844408)
Freedom being of course, the ability of everyone to come to their own conclusions on the matter .
:thumbup:

I've installed and registered it but since I have no need or intention of being nearer than 1.5m to anyone (except my immediate family) for 15 mins, it feels a bit pointless.

Beoz Apr 28th 2020 7:36 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12845477)
:thumbup:

I've installed and registered it but since I have no need or intention of being nearer than 1.5m to anyone (except my immediate family) for 15 mins, it feels a bit pointless.
I think it's so you can be with someone for more than 15 mins. Once there is a good number of users, the restrictions can be relaxed so any flare ups can be traced.

paulry Apr 29th 2020 2:35 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12845754)
I think it's so you can be with someone for more than 15 mins. Once there is a good number of users, the restrictions can be relaxed so any flare ups can be traced.
It sounds a bit limited to me. within 1.5 metres sounds right but 15 mins? Surely there isn't a time related element to this other than the longer you are near a person with the CCP virus greater the risk of infection, but transmission can occur in seconds. And it doesn't do anything about potential infection from touching things like sitting on a park bench with you hand on the arm rest, or opening a door. The more I think about it, the app seems like just a gimmick designed to make people feel like they're doing the right things. I would much rather see it made mandatory for people to wear masks in public and for there to be hand sanitiser gel strategically placed at the entrances of all shops, shopping malls, public buildings. Even at traffic lights pedestrian crossings, lift lobbies, etc.

Meanwhile:

https://www.innovationaus.com/questi...ng-deal-husic/

Mr Husic on Tuesday afternoon said the government needs to explain the role of AWS in its contact tracing app and whether this data centre would store any of the private information. “There are still big questions about the way in which the data will be managed. There have been questions raised about one of [AWS’] local partners that’s used to store data, and that’s Global Switch, a Chinese firm,” Mr Husic told ABC News 24. “If there wasn’t a problem with this firm storing data locally why is it that federal agencies have been trying to exit out of their arrangements with Global Switch because of the fact it is a Chinese firm?

Pollyana Apr 29th 2020 7:32 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12845952)
It sounds a bit limited to me. within 1.5 metres sounds right but 15 mins? Surely there isn't a time related element to this other than the longer you are near a person with the CCP virus greater the risk of infection, but transmission can occur in seconds. And it doesn't do anything about potential infection from touching things like sitting on a park bench with you hand on the arm rest, or opening a door. The more I think about it, the app seems like just a gimmick designed to make people feel like they're doing the right things. I would much rather see it made mandatory for people to wear masks in public and for there to be hand sanitiser gel strategically placed at the entrances of all shops, shopping malls, public buildings. Even at traffic lights pedestrian crossings, lift lobbies, etc.

Meanwhile:

https://www.innovationaus.com/questi...ng-deal-husic/
The reasons why it is not mandatory to wear a mask are well documented elsewhere, as you will know - its robably about as effective as this dodgy app. As for providing hand sanitiser - buy your own and carry it with you. I have for years and nOw I am pleased I was in the habit as I am allergic to the god-awful stuff they provide at work. Amazes me that more people don't have some with them. Its all very well to moan abut the nanny state but then when it comes to something as simple as this they expect the state to provide!

carcajou Apr 29th 2020 9:32 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
I have downloaded it on my phone. It won't work on my wife's phone.

paulry Apr 29th 2020 10:39 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 12846059)
The reasons why it is not mandatory to wear a mask are well documented elsewhere, as you will know - its robably about as effective as this dodgy app. As for providing hand sanitiser - buy your own and carry it with you. I have for years and nOw I am pleased I was in the habit as I am allergic to the god-awful stuff they provide at work. Amazes me that more people don't have some with them. Its all very well to moan abut the nanny state but then when it comes to something as simple as this they expect the state to provide!
If only hand sanitiser and masks were available to buy!

The mask has several benefits:
1. Reduces disbursement of the virus that can infect others through coughs, sneezes, spittle, etc;
2. Reduces intake of the virus from those infected through coughs, sneezes, spittle, etc;
3. Visibility of these these things on others serves as a constant reminder to maintain social distancing.

Hand sanitiser:the more it can be made available both as personal bottles of the stuff as well as at public access points, the better. It's not the stuff of the nanny state, it's simple measures to assist with protecting people from the spread of the virus and can be reasonably seen as a function of the public health service - it's one of the things we pay taxes for.

Something which to me seems completely pointless though is the use of rubber gloves by the general public.

Otherwise, Polly: long time no chat. I hope things are going well for you. :)

Amazulu Apr 29th 2020 11:10 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12846101)
If only hand sanitiser and masks were available to buy!

The mask has several benefits:
1. Reduces disbursement of the virus that can infect others through coughs, sneezes, spittle, etc;
2. Reduces intake of the virus from those infected through coughs, sneezes, spittle, etc;
3. Visibility of these these things on others serves as a constant reminder to maintain social distancing.

Hand sanitiser:the more it can be made available both as personal bottles of the stuff as well as at public access points, the better. It's not the stuff of the nanny state, it's simple measures to assist with protecting people from the spread of the virus and can be reasonably seen as a function of the public health service - it's one of the things we pay taxes for.

Something which to me seems completely pointless though is the use of rubber gloves by the general public.

Otherwise, Polly: long time no chat. I hope things are going well for you. :)
I'm seeing hand sanitiser available in many places now. Still no masks though

paulry Apr 29th 2020 12:30 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 12846109)
I'm seeing hand sanitiser available in many places now. Still no masks though
Cool. There wasn't any here last weekend when I looked, just several people hovering around empty shelves for that product group. A friend of mine who works at one of the local schools was saying that they're unofficially allowing the kids to top up their personal bottles from the larger dispensers placed around the school - which is good.

Come to think of it, I did see some for sale last weekend: $23 for 450ml at the local greengrocers.

Beoz Apr 29th 2020 3:25 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12845952)
It sounds a bit limited to me. within 1.5 metres sounds right but 15 mins? Surely there isn't a time related element to this other than the longer you are near a person with the CCP virus greater the risk of infection, but transmission can occur in seconds. And it doesn't do anything about potential infection from touching things like sitting on a park bench with you hand on the arm rest, or opening a door. The more I think about it, the app seems like just a gimmick designed to make people feel like they're doing the right things. I would much rather see it made mandatory for people to wear masks in public and for there to be hand sanitiser gel strategically placed at the entrances of all shops, shopping malls, public buildings. Even at traffic lights pedestrian crossings, lift lobbies, etc.

Meanwhile:

https://www.innovationaus.com/questi...ng-deal-husic/
Any less than 15 mins will over run the contact tracers with too much data to trace.

Yes it doesn't track surfaces you touch. Normal hygiene procedures still in play. Don't lick your fingers until you've had a wash.

Does it matter if Global Switch or AWS have your phone number and which other phone numbers you've been near for 15 minutes or more. Really does it matter???? No of course not.

If it saves 1 life, it's done it's job for the couple of minutes you took to install.

paulry Apr 29th 2020 7:42 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12846146)
Any less than 15 mins will over run the contact tracers with too much data to trace.

Yes it doesn't track surfaces you touch. Normal hygiene procedures still in play. Don't lick your fingers until you've had a wash.

Does it matter if Global Switch or AWS have your phone number and which other phone numbers you've been near for 15 minutes or more. Really does it matter???? No of course not.

If it saves 1 life, it's done it's job for the couple of minutes you took to install.
It could but if they have all the data they can decide who they need to contact in descending order of exposure. It would be interesting to see what the source code looks like to see how it actually operates. What I mean is would 15 separate instances of one minute contact equal the 15 minutes needed to telephone them? I'm sure it's better than nothing but by the sounds of things it could be smarter and more useful.

As for the CCP owned Global Switch: I reckon the Chinese government probably has all our telephone numbers already....

Amazulu Apr 29th 2020 8:35 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12846120)
Cool. There wasn't any here last weekend when I looked, just several people hovering around empty shelves for that product group. A friend of mine who works at one of the local schools was saying that they're unofficially allowing the kids to top up their personal bottles from the larger dispensers placed around the school - which is good.

Come to think of it, I did see some for sale last weekend: $23 for 450ml at the local greengrocers.
Amazon have some for a bit less than that:
https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0768HQZYX

the troubadour Apr 29th 2020 8:42 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12844433)
If you like staying at home and living off welfare then you have a point.
Best equip yourself with the facts firstly before judging others. You are free of course to follow the authoritarian course just as I am to oppose or at best wait and see. But taking Singapore as an example it was found that tracing technology was somewhat over promising in just what the technique could offer. Old fashioned public health work still shouldered much of the burden there in tracing people that might have been exposed to the virus.

the troubadour Apr 29th 2020 8:46 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12845477)
:thumbup:

I've installed and registered it but since I have no need or intention of being nearer than 1.5m to anyone (except my immediate family) for 15 mins, it feels a bit pointless.
Which bids the question why enroll in down loading the app in the first place when aware of the pointless nature of doing so?

moneypenny20 Apr 30th 2020 1:10 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12846120)
Cool. There wasn't any here last weekend when I looked, just several people hovering around empty shelves for that product group. A friend of mine who works at one of the local schools was saying that they're unofficially allowing the kids to top up their personal bottles from the larger dispensers placed around the school - which is good.

Come to think of it, I did see some for sale last weekend: $23 for 450ml at the local greengrocers.
My nearest Woolies had a delivery of their regular brands yesterday, normal price. It's coming back. Now if I could just get the disinfectant I need for work I'll be happy.

Beoz Apr 30th 2020 10:25 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12846185)
Best equip yourself with the facts firstly before judging others. You are free of course to follow the authoritarian course just as I am to oppose or at best wait and see. But taking Singapore as an example it was found that tracing technology was somewhat over promising in just what the technique could offer. Old fashioned public health work still shouldered much of the burden there in tracing people that might have been exposed to the virus.
Singaporeans didn't adopt the technology and look what happen. Bad example.

Health care workers shouldered the burden of tracing? Yes if it's anything like Australia health workers, those who work for health departments do the tracing. So? Why wouldn't you assist them in that effort? Me me me.

Beoz Apr 30th 2020 10:28 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12846178)
It could but if they have all the data they can decide who they need to contact in descending order of exposure. It would be interesting to see what the source code looks like to see how it actually operates. What I mean is would 15 separate instances of one minute contact equal the 15 minutes needed to telephone them? I'm sure it's better than nothing but by the sounds of things it could be smarter and more useful.

As for the CCP owned Global Switch: I reckon the Chinese government probably has all our telephone numbers already....
Some guy in Senegal has my number. He keeps calling, and hangs up when I answer. I think he wants me to call back at a premium rate.

Bo-Jangles Apr 30th 2020 10:51 am
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
I know that here in NZ are expecting to roll out something similar in the next couple of weeks; I see the value in it primarily being means to record who I have been around for the said 15 minutes or more - if I did get CV-19 then sure I would like to help the tracing people to find out who I had been in contact with as quickly as possible

I likely would remember all the people who have been in my face for 15 times a day for a minute at a time each, but less likely to remember all the people I had work meetings with and such like. Meetings would be reasonably easy to piece together from my Outlook calendar but other interactions like times and date we went to a gym or an exercise class (when we're able) might be harder to remember.

If I can save someone the effort of trying to figure out where I have been and can help break just one chain of spread it would be worthwhile, and I would at least like to be able try to speed up that process for the sake of others.

the troubadour Apr 30th 2020 12:55 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12846529)
Singaporeans didn't adopt the technology and look what happen. Bad example.

Health care workers shouldered the burden of tracing? Yes if it's anything like Australia health workers, those who work for health departments do the tracing. So? Why wouldn't you assist them in that effort? Me me me.
As I wrote. The technology was found wanting. (meaning it did not live up to promise)Even with the conservative nature of many Aussies,. if Singaporeans cannot be convinced, a state well versed in authoritarian control over the decades , not a lot of hope for others to be coerced.
A lot of skepticism in certain European countries as well, especially those that have lived under a authoritarian past.

Beoz Apr 30th 2020 1:18 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12846561)
As I wrote. The technology was found wanting. (meaning it did not live up to promise)Even with the conservative nature of many Aussies,. if Singaporeans cannot be convinced, a state well versed in authoritarian control over the decades , not a lot of hope for others to be coerced.
A lot of skepticism in certain European countries as well, especially those that have lived under a authoritarian past.
What was it found wanting for? What was the promise?

Sounds like the paranoia is clouding what you are expecting it to do. It's not supposed to kill the virus. It's designed to help contact tracing.

Singaporeans only do what they are forced to do. Singapore never forced the app.

paulry Apr 30th 2020 10:22 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12846187)
Which bids the question why enroll in down loading the app in the first place when aware of the pointless nature of doing so?
I s'pose because on balance I think it's harmless enough, but I reckon if I got the virus I would tell the people wanting to access details of people who fit into the narrow range of the parameters the app scans for, to also listen up on all the other people who have come into close contact with me but which the app most likely filtered out/didn't detect.

paulry Apr 30th 2020 10:26 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by the troubadour (Post 12846561)
As I wrote. The technology was found wanting. (meaning it did not live up to promise)Even with the conservative nature of many Aussies,. if Singaporeans cannot be convinced, a state well versed in authoritarian control over the decades , not a lot of hope for others to be coerced.
A lot of skepticism in certain European countries as well, especially those that have lived under a authoritarian past.
According to this lot, we in Britain's last penal colony should give ourselves a big pat on the back! :thumbup:

paulry Apr 30th 2020 10:28 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12846566)
What was it found wanting for? What was the promise?

Sounds like the paranoia is clouding what you are expecting it to do. It's not supposed to kill the virus. It's designed to help contact tracing.

Singaporeans only do what they are forced to do. Singapore never forced the app.
Yep. It's only a piece of the puzzle needed to manage the CCP virus.

paulry Apr 30th 2020 10:29 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12846530)
Some guy in Senegal has my number. He keeps calling, and hangs up when I answer. I think he wants me to call back at a premium rate.
But maybe he's a long lost relative? :p

old.sparkles May 1st 2020 5:38 pm
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My understanding is that the app does not work on apple phones.

For the app to work, it needs to poll on bluetooth, and to do this on an iphone, the phone needs to be unlocked with the app running.

Pollyana May 1st 2020 6:18 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 12847123)
My understanding is that the app does not work on apple phones.

For the app to work, it needs to poll on bluetooth, and to do this on an iphone, the phone needs to be unlocked with the app running.
Thats my understanding too

Beoz May 1st 2020 6:52 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 12847123)
My understanding is that the app does not work on apple phones.

For the app to work, it needs to poll on bluetooth, and to do this on an iphone, the phone needs to be unlocked with the app running.
You still run an iPhone? That's old school.

Beoz May 1st 2020 6:54 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12846676)
But maybe he's a long lost relative? :p
Like the Nigerian Price nephew of mine who keeps sending the messages about the fortune I am about to inherit?

paulry May 1st 2020 8:05 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12847140)
You still run an iPhone? That's old school.
This is Australia, its iPhone central here.

The app works with iOS 10

old.sparkles May 1st 2020 9:47 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12847140)
You still run an iPhone? That's old school.
My grandson has an ipad and we use facetime still at the moment

old.sparkles May 1st 2020 9:48 pm
Re: COVIDSafe successfully installed
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12847160)
This is Australia, its iPhone central here.

The app works with iOS 10
Are you sure - apple says bluetooth wont poll if phone is locked?


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