Re: Clive Palmer
 

Twas a joke - no policies in place, no budget in place ...and he won:eek:

Mind you the Rudd and Gillard duo we equally as shite - not sure worse damage can be done by this lot - now this crap:thumbdown:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-2...rivals/4972760

Re: Clive Palmer
 

They've got a 6 point plan to stop (telling you about) the boats!

Re: Clive Palmer
 

:hysterical:

If it wasn't so funny it would be scary:unsure:

Re: Clive Palmer
 

I agree its a shambles at the moment, but what do you suggest as an alternative?

Re: Clive Palmer
 

I'm not really sure TBH. something that moves us away from the dogmatic attitudes and ideologies of party politics and is more representative of the wishes of the man on the street. Perhaps limiting the number of seats available to parties, and encouraging no-aligned independents would work - governments would be forced to seek consensus on issues before voting took place.

The classic example of the failure of the party system was Gillard's fudged attempt at a vote on marriage reform - The general public wanted it - with massive popular support - there would have been enough support in the house had it been a party issue, yet pathetic party politics prevented it from becoming an issue. And the ultimate farce was that the then PM herself voted against something she has supported for many years because her party powerbrokers didn't want it.

It was a blatant act of anti-democracy in action. The will and desire of the people was flagrantly ignored by party politics.


S

Re: Clive Palmer
 

I decided at the 11th hour to vote for a govt I thought was going to be more cohesive rather than for policies or a man. To be honest I think a lot of people did. We can over analyse campaigns - I don't think it made much difference.

I like the sentiment but it rarely happens perhaps. I've said before that if anything parties are sort of coming more centrist - perhaps its great for the battlers that the ALP still support trade unions.

Re: Clive Palmer
 

When did people stop thinking for themselves?

Re: Clive Palmer
 

When they started buying News Corp papers.

Re: Clive Palmer
 

I'm not sure, but I'm not seeing a great deal of self thinking and examination of the facts going on here.

Seems to be more sheep mentality. Just look at all the fools queuing for their new iPhones :)

Sadly compulsory voting means that we will never have a clear idea of public engagement in the issues. But it's pretty undeniable that the Murdoch press gave Abbott and easy ride.


S

Re: Clive Palmer
 

I think something that also limits the possibility of career politicians - In times passed, politicians were people that had already had well developed careers, and felt it was time to give something back. Nowadays, idiots seem to graduate from university, become join a party, lick some arse and get magical preselection, then seem to make a career out of politics having never been part of the general workforce or developed any experience therein. This type of politician seems to be more focused on preserving their career than on any sort of rational based or pragmatic policy decisions.

Limiting to no more than three consecutive terms before having to resign the seat?


S

Re: Clive Palmer
 

When did they ever start!?

Re: Clive Palmer
 

Fairfax backed TA too

If Poms and Aussies want to let Murdoch tell them how to vote then that's their issue not his

Opinions are like assholes etc

Re: Clive Palmer
 

Who cares

If people can't think for themselves come election time them maybe they shouldn't be voting

Re: Clive Palmer
 

I thought everyone had to vote?

Re: Clive Palmer
 

Then they need to vote how they want to - not based on what the opinion of a media company is