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Any tips for the UK please, I see you've dumped Morrison, do you want Johnson?

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That's not fair. Australia no longer has to take our criminals.

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It's taken almost nine years to get the Liberals (Conservatives) out, so we're probably not best placed to give helpful tips :lol:

We still have a houseful of neighbours in, celebratory drinkies :drinkingwine:

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ps no we don't want BoJo, we've only just got rid of ScoMo!

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But but but ...he'd let you starve comfortably on a free bus if you were old. Surely everyone would be grateful for that???:sneaky::lol:

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Tell him to f**k off, we're full.

I may be slightly inebriated :lol:

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:lol:

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May be BoJo can give a job to ScoMo. He knows a lot about boats filled with asylum seekers.

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Congratulations, you lot! :drinkingpals:

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I haven't spent a cent today. I can see that being a pattern for the next 3 years, as people totally cut spending, especially the wealthy, the ones who generate the most tax.

Women independents definitely created the difference here (so much for unity). It’s gonna be funny watching women turn on themselves when they have to balance the household budget with inflation skyrocketing and minimum wage (Australia already has the highest minimum wage in the world) going through the roof and Albo standing there with his dick in his hand. We’ll see how much people give a **** about “climate action” then.

Oh so much fun. :lol:

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I don't see this as climate change result, rather than getting rid of the most self-serving PM and front bench we have ever seen. They were taking the piss and had to go. I'm glad I'll never have to listen to Scomo's shit for a while. His behaviour even in the house would see him sacked in the corporate world. I was worried that voters had got used to it.

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I am not exactly sure self serving would be a term I use for Scomo. But there you go.

However this election was a national tantrum fuelled by self entitlement, which is a bit short sighted given Australia just navigated a global pandemic where the self entitled received one of the best handout rates in the world, from a government that apparently doesn't care. Go figure.

Sadly the self entitled are in for a rude shock.

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We live in a strange world. Rightly or wrongly, Australia navigated the kung flu overreaction pretty well. We're one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, with one of the lowest death rates in the world and our economy is strong and getting stronger. Yet, that wasn't enough for a large percentage of the population (not a majority though) - who want to play the man not the ball. I get that Morrison can be a Bull in a China shop and often doesn't do himself any favours - but many choose personality over substance and policy. We saw the same with Julia Gillard. Okay, she was a terrible PM - as nearly all socialist leaders are and was bad for this country but so many people voted against her because of the way she spoke - not her policies. Pathetic and childish

Self-entitled is pretty apt

As the old saying goes:
Hard men bring good times
Good times bring soft men
Soft men bring hard times

Repeat

We're in a time of soft men. Biden, Trudeau, Ardern, Johnson, Macron, Scholz etc - and now Albanese. History shows that things will probably not end well but hey ho

Anyway, it's raining, things are green, the autumn colours are spectacular, the hills are magnificent, the economy is good, we've all got jobs and the tax cuts are coming. In three years we'll get to decide if Albo has done a good job or not

Life's good and onwards and upwards

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I must of missed the bits about tax cuts. Do telll? I do know that creating wage growth is a fairy tail, stalling inflation is out of everyone's control, and both of those scenarios will hurt the people who need it most. Oh that's right, it wasn't an election built on that type of important stuff, it was all about get rid of Scomo. I do not have the confidence you have in onwards and upwards

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Legislated Stage 3 tax cuts:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/mone...58d6a339e562a4

Ignore the ridiculous list of occupations as many plumbers earn more than barristers but you'll get the drift

By onwards and upwards I mean life goes on. Rudd and Gillard broke most of what they touched - as all socialists do - but not long after they were skopped out, Australia was back on track under Tony Abbott. The same will happen now. Western voters continually elect governments that will hurt them - it is what it is

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Ah those tax cuts. You have a good memory. I wonder if those can be killed off by the new socialist government. No doubt they will - there's hole in their bucket that needs closing if they want to give an extra 5.1% to the minimum wage earners.

I actually wonder if the Libs will bother with the inner city electorates in the next election. Given the Kooyong tantrum, the next opposition leader will be Dutton and that won't go down well with the inner city folk. They will probably just support teal there, focus on the suburbs and regions. If this is the case Albo"s electorate, and Plibesek for that matter, could be threatened.

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Those tax cuts are legislated and the ALP have commited to them - so if Albanese backtracks on them, he'd be breaking an election promise. Anything could happen but I can't see that happening at this stage

If Dutton becomes LNP leader, that's most of Queensland voting for him at the next election and he'd have a good chance of winning the election. Tony Abbott, probably the most conservative PM we've had in a long time - and hated by the inner city left - won. Whether you are right or left, we need political parties that take sides gving the elecotrate a clear choice - and more often or not, will meet at the centre to get consensus. That's how liberal democracy is supposed to work - and has worked effectively throughout history

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I think Scomo got screwed by the Nationals on the climate issue, the Nationals push back really hurt the liberals but the Nationals kept all their seats.

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I hate to be the one to break this but, uh, it's all your money anyway. There's no such thing as a free lunch it turns out. :(

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Absolutely its our money. We definately overcooked the handout in the pandemic, however it was a hastily organised emergency and should have been scaled back a lot earlier, hence my point, no credit from the handout lovers for that one.

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There's an interesting perspective on this from Dave Sharma who lost his seat. According to Dave, what you say is correct.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...25-p5ao9r.html

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same here in the uk the furlough scheme was rolled out way too quickly and many people claimed and was awarded monies (a huge amount) some rightly and a heck of a lot of “others” not so rightly hence our government is now having to tighten the purse strings. The green policy is a noble one but the cost of going green the way our “parties” are talking on the whole is not practical in a lot of areas of the uk and the other ideas will cost the average person a lot of money, inflation is rising in a lot of countries at the moment we in the UK have had very low interest on mortgages, loans etc for a long time now it’s interest is rising people are not happy but as I have always said (following my dads advice) never borrow money unless you have to and if so do not borrow than you can comfortably afford. When we lived in Australia we voted liberal as we agreed with their policies especially after coming from the the uk when the Labour Party was in power and a fortune of tax payers money was going to people on benefits (still is) which a large majority are more than capable of earning a living the benefits system here is so broken but labour pamper to them as they then vote for labour. Yes we are a working class family for generations on both sides of our family from very poor beginnings when our past relatives arrived in Manchester but we all have a hard working ethic hence we have not done so badly in life.

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https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gover...ent/2016-03-16

Bit old but interesting.

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It's alright for us boomers (again), we're used to high inflation & mortgage / interest rates, not to mention black outs & shortages. Back to the good old days!

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Russell Brand is on the right track, the current political system is broken.

Time for a grassroots revolution.

Just saying’ …

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The UK spends a huge amount on Social Welfare but that's mostly because their State Pension system is a completely unfunded liability, not a penny was put into any investment scheme. Indeed they made the problem even worse with their "triple lock" on pensions to buy the grey vote. Ditto public sector pensions are substantially unfunded. They are absolutely screwed and just heaping these additional taxes onto a now declining working age population.

This can't go on, the UK will not be able to retain workers if tax rates keep increasing at an ever higher rate. Particularly as many OECD countries are suffering the same demographic issues so chasing workers. They're running out of space to keep borrowing, Greece had a national debt at about 100% of GDP in 2008.

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Their main problem though is that the NHS in its present form of everything free, for everyone, forever is financially unsustainable. Reform is currently impossible as the electorate is totally against any from of payment - however small - at point of use. They are in complete and total denial and politicians from both sides will not confront the problem as the first government that does would lose the next election. Political survival at the expense of essential national reform basically. When Labour was developing the concept of the NHS in 1945, they were warned by one of their senior people (can't remember his name) that it would bankrupt the country by the end of the century - and he was proven right. However, they weren't looking at 2000 in 1945 and ignored the issue. They also didn't consider the advancement of medicine that has enabled an ever aging population. Something will have to give eventually and the fallout won't be pretty. Our Australian hybrid public/private/some payments system, although it defintely has issues, is much more sustainable and affordable in the long term. We're very lucky to have it

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UK Healthcare Spending as %GDP.
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Outrage as Australians discover former prime minister secretly gave himself five additional ministries

I read this and my first thought was did he get extra pay or is he in line for multiple pensions that would go with those positions?

Second thought is that if all this happened without anyone knowing did it make any difference?

Main thought...are we living in a time of political leader excesses? It looks like it.

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Unbelievable (but true) stuff, not only was the Australian public not informed that he'd appointed himself to 5 Ministries, most of his Cabinet didn't know either - including most of the Ministers whose portfolios he co-opted!

Our current Prime Minister, Albanese (Labor) has said that he believes Morrison wasn't paid any additional salary, but there's going to be an investigation so we'll see.

It made a LOT of difference. Australians, and Morrison's own Cabinet Ministers (not to mention the Opposition), didn't know who was in charge of some of the most consequential Federal Ministries of our government - Treasury, Health, Home Affairs, Resources and Finance. I don't think it's overreach to say that he undermined Australia's democratic system of government. There was no transparency, no oversight from Parliament, just making secret arrangements through the Governor-General. The jury is still out on the Governor-General's role in this, but it appears that he didn't do anything illegal. Nor, for that matter, did Morrison (probably). It's not so much the fact that he co-opted himself into these Ministries, it's the fact that he did it secretly.

Most definitely 'yes' to your last question. Morrison was (is) an unashamed admirer of Trump, stating that they shared the same views and political priorities. Morrison even appeared on stage with Trump at one of Trump's campaign rallies. He is also rather fond of Boris. He (and some other world leaders) seem to share this philosophy that they can act with impunity. It's quite frightening. Actually, it's very frightening.

Stand by for a different view from a couple of the Barbie regulars.....

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That's a massive positive though. Look at America after DT - the left f**king up everything that they touch - as usual. Hopefully, America reelects DT in 2024. If not, a right-wing ultra hawk will suffice

BJ was alright too. Unfortunately, the government he leads is conservative in name only - practically, they are deeply socialist. Again, breaking shit as normal practise

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I see what you mean. A different opinion is one thing but it rather sounds like someone escaped from somewhere.
Either that or satire lives. :lol:

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Let's focus on the importants bits. Firstly the different view for starters.
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Secondly Albo. ..... Wow.... Does nothing except promise the myth of wage growth, and of course, look at events of 2 years ago. The intention is clear. Let's give Scomo another run through the media and take the focus off my lack of nothing.

Now what would I prefer. A guy who takes on a bunch of extra roles for no extra pay or a guy who does nothing for the same pay. Well it doesn't take too much to figure that out.

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The hatred by Trump from those outside the US is driven by the rants and ideologies of the people they follow on social media. They have little to no understanding of what he has or hasn't done apart from what some woke popstar tells them. The left today is an absoloute cesspool and I hope it doesn't destroy Australia the way it has the US in the last few years. In fact I'm not overly worried about the left, it's woke ideologies are already failing. I'm worried that it will do so much damage it will help radicalize a counter movement that is truly more horrifying in it's dictatorship. If anyone ever reads about the fall of the Whermacht Republic in Germany pre Nazi era you will see some similarities.

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;)

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It will be 3 years in Australia. Then normal service will resume. When Labor here fall they fall hard. They don't have the qualities in their ranks to be effective government. It's clear already. When a sitting Prime Minister needs to spend so much time and energy acting like an opposition leader and focusing on the previous government and Prime Minister then you know you have problems. If you look at the 2 speeches the current and former Prime Ministers made yesterday you can see one is still a leader, has a back bone, and backs his decisions while the other is a spineless school yard name caller. Sadly the latter is now our PM. I expect Labor history to repeat itself at the next election.

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This is half an hour well spent. Bringing divisions together.

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If you've got anything to say about what I post, please use the quote system so that I can reply - don't become one of the, many, BE posters (some of whom are online cowards) who hide behind their words and lack the ability to debate, discuss and, heaven forbid, disagree. What's the point of being on here otherwise?

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I rest my case m'lud

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So it turns out ScoMo was fairly useless at six jobs, not just the one :lol: