Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
Oct 12th 2011, 12:30 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
So fork out on some Solar panels and quit moaning - I know plenty of people who are now earning $500 a qtr from their solar set up and expect an ROI of a couple of years on their initial investment and now couldnt give 2 hoots about the price of electricity....
Oct 12th 2011, 12:34 pm
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Oct 12th 2011, 12:37 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
feed-in tarrifs have been stopped in WA for new users.
Oct 12th 2011, 12:47 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
Oct 12th 2011, 1:09 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
It's all a bit pointless anyway: missions are directly related to consumption, which in turn depends on the number of consumers.
If X people cause Y emissions in a lifetime, 2X people will, unless my maths is awry, emit 2Y.
So why the hell give money to people to have offspring at the same time banging on about reducing carbon emissions?
The first law of Costellodynamics?
If X people cause Y emissions in a lifetime, 2X people will, unless my maths is awry, emit 2Y.
So why the hell give money to people to have offspring at the same time banging on about reducing carbon emissions?
The first law of Costellodynamics?
Oct 12th 2011, 2:10 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
It's all a bit pointless anyway: missions are directly related to consumption, which in turn depends on the number of consumers.
If X people cause Y emissions in a lifetime, 2X people will, unless my maths is awry, emit 2Y.
So why the hell give money to people to have offspring at the same time banging on about reducing carbon emissions?
The first law of Costellodynamics?
If X people cause Y emissions in a lifetime, 2X people will, unless my maths is awry, emit 2Y.
So why the hell give money to people to have offspring at the same time banging on about reducing carbon emissions?
The first law of Costellodynamics?
Oct 12th 2011, 2:20 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
a tax on plant food. that'll surely sort out the environment 
Oct 12th 2011, 2:28 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
It's all a bit pointless anyway: missions are directly related to consumption, which in turn depends on the number of consumers.
If X people cause Y emissions in a lifetime, 2X people will, unless my maths is awry, emit 2Y.
So why the hell give money to people to have offspring at the same time banging on about reducing carbon emissions?
The first law of Costellodynamics?
If X people cause Y emissions in a lifetime, 2X people will, unless my maths is awry, emit 2Y.
So why the hell give money to people to have offspring at the same time banging on about reducing carbon emissions?
The first law of Costellodynamics?
Remarkable how most governments seem to brush it under the radar.
Oct 12th 2011, 4:59 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
Not just governments: skim through the billions of words in newspapers, magazines, TV, radio etc that are spouted on CO2 reduction and see what percentage even mention in passing the fundamental problem, which is overpopulation. It's tiny.
Oct 12th 2011, 5:30 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
Population is self-correcting eventually. As oil prices get higher, aids really gets going and antibiotics fail to stop cock rot the population will be capped.
I think Carbon Tax is a good idea for this reason; it levels off fossil fuel consumption ahead of a crunch on supply. However a better approach would be to make hay while the sun shines but use the proceeds to prepare for the future
. Be that through investing in R&D or deploying inferior technologies on a larger scale.
I think Carbon Tax is a good idea for this reason; it levels off fossil fuel consumption ahead of a crunch on supply. However a better approach would be to make hay while the sun shines but use the proceeds to prepare for the future
. Be that through investing in R&D or deploying inferior technologies on a larger scale.
Oct 12th 2011, 5:48 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
The whole thing is a pile of bull - just another excuse to lift more money out of the punters pockets and piss it away. If 100% of the money raised was going to build solar plants, gas plants etc then I could buy into it, but it won't. The very fact the government is planning to hand out lots of dosh to cushion the blow to it's core electorate speaks volume - it's just a new name for Wealth Distribution. I saw that smug Bastard Bob Brown on the telly this morning and I wanted to put a brick through it.
The bottom line is - The Government has brought it a massive new tax burden for everyone right at the point when the Global Economy is tanking - way to go.
Oct 12th 2011, 5:51 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
Only if they spend their entire lives living seperately from other people - I think will find when people live together [communally, married, whatever] their individual carbon dioxide emissions will drop considerably.
The whole thing is a pile of bull - just another excuse to lift more money out of the punters pockets and piss it away. If 100% of the money raised was going to build solar plants, gas plants etc then I could buy into it, but it won't. The very fact the government is planning to hand out lots of dosh to cushion the blow to it's core electorate speaks volume - it's just a new name for Wealth Distribution. I saw that smug Bastard Bob Brown on the telly this morning and I wanted to put a brick through it.
The bottom line is - The Government has brought it a massive new tax burden for everyone right at the point when the Global Economy is tanking - way to go.
The whole thing is a pile of bull - just another excuse to lift more money out of the punters pockets and piss it away. If 100% of the money raised was going to build solar plants, gas plants etc then I could buy into it, but it won't. The very fact the government is planning to hand out lots of dosh to cushion the blow to it's core electorate speaks volume - it's just a new name for Wealth Distribution. I saw that smug Bastard Bob Brown on the telly this morning and I wanted to put a brick through it.
The bottom line is - The Government has brought it a massive new tax burden for everyone right at the point when the Global Economy is tanking - way to go.
Last edited by Turban Explorer; Oct 12th 2011 at 5:52 pm. Reason: added a bit
Oct 12th 2011, 5:58 pm
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Re: Carbon Tax....kiss of death?
>>Population is self-correcting eventually. As oil prices get higher, aids really gets going and antibiotics fail to stop cock rot the population will be capped.<<
"Eventually" is the operative word here.
When the planet had only say a couple of billion of us (that was in 1927!) it would have no problem supporting itself indefinitely, even if everyone had the Western standard of living we ourselves enjoy. Since the industrial revolution technology has enabled us to keep ahead of the Malthus curve to the point where we are depleting resources and emitting at a much greater rate than can be sustained.
You are right, there will be a natural limit but obviously the larger the population the more are going to suffer when the crunch comes. IMO the crunch has been happening for some time anyway.
"Eventually" is the operative word here.
When the planet had only say a couple of billion of us (that was in 1927!) it would have no problem supporting itself indefinitely, even if everyone had the Western standard of living we ourselves enjoy. Since the industrial revolution technology has enabled us to keep ahead of the Malthus curve to the point where we are depleting resources and emitting at a much greater rate than can be sustained.
You are right, there will be a natural limit but obviously the larger the population the more are going to suffer when the crunch comes. IMO the crunch has been happening for some time anyway.
