Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 10888217)

I'm interested in where and how you would use it ?

A fair bit of dosh for playing compressed music I reckon personally.... Maybe I should go hear it before commenting further though.

They are my first thoughts though.

Usually there is something always better than Bose in the same price range... Yamaha would be where I would look for a comparison as a starter.

But maybe not.

Wonder how the Sonos compares, you get a lot more function with a Sonos system at the same price.

Dunno, but you've got my interest up.

Currently I play Itunes on my HTPC and play it through a old sony system, which I always felt was adequate for compressed music. So where's your wanted item likely to go ?

My aspiration is for a valve system.... wont be getting one for quiet a while ..... Although I did notice that Samsung of all people do a dock with valves.

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 10888217)

My aspiration is for a valve system.... wont be getting one for quiet a while ..... Although I did notice that Samsung of all people do a dock with valves.

Originally Posted by EvannTel (Post 10888223)

Hmmmm

Prefer the B&W zeppelin personally and looks brilliant.

Then again that budget can get you nicely started with an amp and a couple f speakers.

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10889461)

...agreed. Bose is over marketed cheap crap at a premium price and has been for decades now. They have lived off a reputation from many many moons ago that is simply not valid anymore. Bang & Olufsen are the same, although much better quality. But for the money, you can get MUCH better sounding gear from any number of true Hi-Fi manufacturers. The B&W Zeppelin is by far the best in this category, I had tested a few, but in the end decided against such an extravagant expense. You can buy some very very good streamers now. Cyrus do one that will just sync up with your computer's library.

I've been collecting Hi-Fi gear for about 20 years now and slowly getting to my ultimate system

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10889461)

...agreed. Bose is over marketed cheap crap at a premium price and has been for decades now. They have lived off a reputation from many many moons ago that is simply not valid anymore. Bang & Olufsen are the same, although much better quality. But for the money, you can get MUCH better sounding gear from any number of true Hi-Fi manufacturers. The B&W Zeppelin is by far the best in this category, I had tested a few, but in the end decided against such an extravagant expense. You can buy some very very good streamers now. Cyrus do one that will just sync up with your computer's library.

I've been collecting Hi-Fi gear for about 20 years now and slowly getting to my ultimate system

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 10889498)

I am interested is this ultimate system of yours though, the thing about separates is that there are infinite combinations, no one combination is right it's what suits the user. never listen to reviews

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10889875)

I never believe reviews, as most have some sort of bias.

All of my beliefs in Hi-Fi are from auditioning. Another reason I don't like Bose, is Bose will only allow certain dealers to sell them. A friend of mine used to work for an authorised Bose dealer a few years ago, and a stipulation of their dealership was that no side-by-side auditioning (ie: comparing, which is a standard staple of the Hi-Fi enthusuast) was allowed between any Bose equipment and other branded components. I have heard enough Bose in my time to realise they are a marketing scam first and foremost. They sell a quality image of a product but in reality they are cheap sounding crap with better sounding results able to be achieved by components at a tenth of the price.

You are right though, that auditioning is highly subjective. But all I can ever think when it comes to Bose is that their fans simply haven't had their eyes opened to the range of quality options there are other than Bose.

(interesting reviews here http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...1214&term=Bose)

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 10889925)

Thing is Bose seems to be the in thing to slag off at the moment, I'll generally buy what I think sounds the best and after some consideration I've gone for the Bose. I have a long history of expensive separate systems and I've kind of grown out of the snobbery of it. My eyes are wide open fella and cheap sounding crap they certainly aint, it suits my purposes and achieves what I want better than the others I tried.

Not buying what you don't want seems enough for most people, but you really hate these don't ya, were you gang raped in a bose store or something?:p

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10889929)

nah, I just hate seeing people being unwittingly ripped off

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 10889949)

Never been a fan of Bose. They make the occasional good speaker, in a sea of junk, and they are always overpriced.

Currently putting together similar to make the output from my desktop sound better. Putting a good, cheap, 2.1 speaker set on a Lepai class-t amp, with a $10 Bluetooth adapter and I'll have everything this is and more for a fraction of the price.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 10889940)

how have I been ripped off if I've got the system I wanted, forgive me for saying this but it's quite arrogant to tell people that what they like is shit. Perhaps it comes down to taste in music, it punches out everything from Audioslave to Mozart to my liking, and Damien Marley is done proud. We'll have to agree to disagree on this, and you still aint said what your ultimate system is

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10890563)

You put a review of a product up. I countered this, having also auditioned this along with other comparable products, just like a few others on here who also agree with my line of thought. If my viewpoint is arrogant, then so be it. I think you are just being a little bit precious to be honest. There are enough people around the world to have experienced Bose gear and I can tell you that there are more detractors than there are fans. That has to be for a reason.

Anyway, your question. At the moment, my system is:

Cyrus CD-8 CD Player (which I'd like to upgrade to a Sony SACD player soon)
Cyrus AV-8 Pre-amp (which I want to upgrade, but not sure what to yet, haven't heard anything good enough to take its place yet)
2 x Cyrus Monoblock Power Amps
2 x Cyrus X-Power Blocks
2 x B&W 604S3 Speakers

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 10890744)

Now then, precious I aint, I was trying to get over the point that just because you think it's crap doesn't make it so. The arrogance comes into it when you state it as a fact rather than an opinion. If I said the above system shows a lack of imagination and a hard on for Cyrus, you wouldn't listen to a word of it because it's taylored by you for you, and rightly so.

No record deck, are you serious?

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10890772)

Records are good for classical only IMO.

I never stated it as fact, I even said that audio is a highly subjective subject, which you obviously chose to ignore.

The only bit I questioned was whether you had truly auditioned any other kit than Bose, because I find it very hard to believe people would prefer anything by Bose over any other comparable Hi-Fi manufacturer.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 10890821)

Your only mention of subjectivity was in agreement with what I said, I'd read back your posts about 'it's cheap sounding crap' and the like and see whether it comes accross as a statement or an opinion. As I've said just about on every one of my posts, it suits my requirements and my musical tastes, which you're choosing to ignore.

If you seriously had the love of good quality music you purport to, you'd be building your stereo system around a quality record deck. Now is that an opinion or fact?

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10890857)

so your system is built around LPs then is it?

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 10890860)

not the one you're slagging off no

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10890864)

...obviously, because it ain't built around quality, is it?

Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 10891965)

My 2000 Nissan Pulsar is missing two speakers which means some music is unlistenable. But it does have a stereo with a USB stick so I can listen to lots of badly compressed music out of the remaining 2 speakers, one of which distorts badly with lots of bass.

I guess I am not target market. ;)

Originally Posted by Bernieboy (Post 10888839)

I have my BOSE docking thingy 5 years now and it's still the dogs bollox,in fact it's the best thing i took away from my failed marriage lol.

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 10892078)

I used to have hi-fi seperates years ago, and the only thing that I've retained is the speakers - sitting in dust unused for 12 years - saved for a rainy day.

I rarely listen to music these days, after dealing with pre-school kids I just want peace and quiet, and headphones give me headaches after 30mins, always have done. I do listen to classic FM at the bedside late at night.

I'm a luddite when it comes to tech, I'm only interested in convenience.
My wife doesn't believe me when I tell her I'm no expert she assumes because I work in IT for my sins I must know. Not true! All we have is a DVD player with fat speakers...and the speakers wires came out of the back of most of the speakers years ago...and I never got around to fixing them - it's a bore. So most of the time we play a CD through the 2 main speakers near the 'telly' or use a laptop connected to a speaker.

One of the isssues I have with tech and the way media has all converged is the fact you have to admistrate everything - and housekeep all the files. And if its on one central box you need to keep backups. More work, it's like being at work - which I resent; and then the Missus assumes it all my responsibility.



:goodpost: We visited a country house and stayed there at Easter and their BOSE thing was great. Will get one eventually, maybe a cheaper version.

Originally Posted by spuddyo (Post 10893607)

Different market, but in the pro-audio industry the common mantra is "no High's , No Lows, Must be Bose" and my other :D favourite JBL - Junk but LOUD.

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 10890563)

You put a review of a product up. I countered this, having also auditioned this along with other comparable products, just like a few others on here who also agree with my line of thought. If my viewpoint is arrogant, then so be it. I think you are just being a little bit precious to be honest. There are enough people around the world to have experienced Bose gear and I can tell you that there are more detractors than there are fans. That has to be for a reason.

Anyway, your question. At the moment, my system is:

Cyrus CD-8 CD Player (which I'd like to upgrade to a Sony SACD player soon)
Cyrus AV-8 Pre-amp (which I want to upgrade, but not sure what to yet, haven't heard anything good enough to take its place yet)
2 x Cyrus Monoblock Power Amps
2 x Cyrus X-Power Blocks
2 x B&W 604S3 Speakers

Originally Posted by TheCreature (Post 10893774)

Not a fan, personally, of Mission amplification. Always found it a bit to 'bright' for my ears.. decent kit though.
I used to be 'in to' Hi-Fi in a big way at one time, but my Australian home really doesn't led itself to it, big open plan and boxy, so I'm now restricted to the normal sort of 5:1 system used for cinema. Onkyo THX stuff and a Jamo speaker set.
Not sure what your big downer is on Bose kit.. if you listen to as much kit as you claim, then you should know that one mans meat is another mans poison.

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 10893787)

We've had a 5:1 thingo for years, except it's a 2 plus bass for as long as the wires came out the back. That thing has basically been our 'go to' Hi-Fi since the children came along.

What I do plan to do is connect some box of tricks up to my laptop output in my office so that I can then use my 'proper' speakers (in storage) to play media.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 10962585)

I really hate to upset anyone but I went to buy a dock for my donga, and guess what the bose was the best imo, and also the cheapest hoodathunkit?

sounddock 2 that is

Originally Posted by TheCreature (Post 10963129)

"dock for my donga"

Can you keep your sexual practises off the boards please... some of us are of a sensitive disposition.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 10892084)

I've got visions of 2 Betty Boothroid statues in your living room now. Kills me when kids come round, eye up the records and say 'what are they?'