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slapphead_otool Jan 22nd 2013 9:05 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by rajj (Post 10500393)
Also isnt there three parts to the treaty including disarmament?? So in effect no one abides by it anyway!

To be fair since the cold war ended there has been a huge disarmament of the West.

The British got rid of virtually its entire nuclear arsenal - which was HUGE: nuclear shells for large calibre field and naval guns, nuclear mines to place across German plains, nuclear depth charges, conventional numeral free fall bombs, nuclear missiles. They only have a few nuclear missiles on the submarines and thats it.

That was all wasted if third world nations are going to build huge stocks of their own.....

rajj Jan 22nd 2013 11:05 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by slapphead_otool (Post 10500430)
To be fair since the cold war ended there has been a huge disarmament of the West.

The British got rid of virtually its entire nuclear arsenal - which was HUGE: nuclear shells for large calibre field and naval guns, nuclear mines to place across German plains, nuclear depth charges, conventional numeral free fall bombs, nuclear missiles. They only have a few nuclear missiles on the submarines and thats it.

That was all wasted if third world nations are going to build huge stocks of their own.....

the others

Its all or nothing, or it just does not cut the mustard. BTW, dont get me wrong, i'm on about the signing of the treaty only. I dont support India or any other nation having any nukes as the problem with the deterrent theory is that its bollox!!!

slapphead_otool Jan 22nd 2013 11:13 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 
The problem with unrestricted nuclear weapons is that some people on the planet think they get an instant 75 virgins if they die in combat against non believers.

This destroys the whole Mutually Assured Destruction - they simply don't care.

Zen10 Jan 22nd 2013 11:13 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by brissybee (Post 10498515)
To me, sometimes it just feels like - bit by bit - Australia is being carved up and sold off to the highest bidder... and I am not convinced the consequences for Australia will always be good.

Of course. Who says all the resources under Australia belong to one obese woman named Gina? What right has she got to strip them out and sell them to India for her personal enrichment while everyone else loses their jobs? No right.

All minerals and resources should be nationalised and profits returned immediately to everyone in the country. In the meantime, Australia is being hollowed out to increase the performance of future enemies like China for the personal enrichment of a few hundred men and women, who if the shit ever hits the fans will be on their private jets and outta here in a flash.

Zen10 Jan 22nd 2013 11:15 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by slapphead_otool (Post 10500430)
To be fair since the cold war ended there has been a huge disarmament of the West.

The British got rid of virtually its entire nuclear arsenal - which was HUGE: nuclear shells for large calibre field and naval guns, nuclear mines to place across German plains, nuclear depth charges, conventional numeral free fall bombs, nuclear missiles. They only have a few nuclear missiles on the submarines and thats it.

That was all wasted if third world nations are going to build huge stocks of their own.....

And not just nukes - look at the reduction in naval forces since Falklands.

slapphead_otool Jan 22nd 2013 11:21 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by Zen10 (Post 10500595)
And not just nukes - look at the reduction in naval forces since Falklands.

and in an incredible irony give more aid to nations with bigger and better defence forces. :confused:

I just don't get the UK these days. Unless self destruction is on the menu.

chris955 Jan 22nd 2013 11:49 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by Zen10 (Post 10500595)
And not just nukes - look at the reduction in naval forces since Falklands.

Its just not needed, no point keeping it.

Zen10 Jan 23rd 2013 9:23 am

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by slapphead_otool (Post 10500603)
and in an incredible irony give more aid to nations with bigger and better defence forces. :confused:

I just don't get the UK these days. Unless self destruction is on the menu.

Don't get me started on foreign aid to countries with aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons.

Zen10 Jan 23rd 2013 9:24 am

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 10500642)
Its just not needed, no point keeping it.

It is true that warfare has changed, but the question you have to ask yourself is, if a large navy is not needed, why are the Chinese expanding theirs like there's no tomorrow?

chris955 Jan 23rd 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by Zen10 (Post 10501660)
It is true that warfare has changed, but the question you have to ask yourself is, if a large navy is not needed, why are the Chinese expanding theirs like there's no tomorrow?

Because not only are they looking to buy Australia piece by piece they want to be able to protect their investment.

Zen10 Jan 23rd 2013 9:39 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 10502189)
Because not only are they looking to buy Australia piece by piece they want to be able to protect their investment.

Now, I know there's a reason why the US just moved 60% of its Navy into the Pacific and are planning to park a carrier group in Perth, but I can't work out what it is...

chris955 Jan 23rd 2013 11:14 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 
There you go :thumbup:

Zen10 Jan 23rd 2013 11:28 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 10502637)
There you go :thumbup:

It's one of the downsides of living where all the action is going to be in the 21st Century.

Bernieboy Jan 23rd 2013 11:31 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by Zen10 (Post 10502656)
It's one of the downsides of living where all the action is going to be in the 21st Century.

Best you get stocking up yer bunker;)

Zen10 Jan 23rd 2013 11:38 pm

Re: Australia India nuclear talks
 

Originally Posted by Bernieboy (Post 10502661)
Best you get stocking up yer bunker;)

The great thing about the missile age is that no one is left out of the party.:D


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