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Attack the workers and pay the price.
Thats what you get for introducing things like the GP co payment and cuts to TAFE. Again and again the Liberals fail to understand that it's the workers that decide the outcome in close fought elections. The Ambulance and Firefighters are revered people in society and to make them the political brunt of social reform Lliberal style, brings this kind of outcome.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the supposed main policy of the liberals manifesto the East West link now. It could still be built. What will be built are the 50 Level Crossing bypasses which should have been done years ago.... So lets see whether the Rail tunnel goes ahead or the East West link, there's going to be some detailed negotiation ahead methinks. If Labour wants to be re-elected he should be at least seen to try to get the East West link built. Such was the feeling here in Victoria that we now have a true majority government for the first time in ages. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11487957)
Thats what you get for introducing things like the GP co payment and cuts to TAFE. Again and again the Liberals fail to understand that it's the workers that decide the outcome in close fought elections. The Ambulance and Firefighters are revered people in society and to make them the political brunt of social reform Lliberal style, brings this kind of outcome.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the supposed main policy of the liberals manifesto the East West link now. It could still be built. What will be built are the 50 Level Crossing bypasses which should have been done years ago.... So lets see whether the Rail tunnel goes ahead or the East West link, there's going to be some detailed negotiation ahead methinks. If Labour wants to be re-elected he should be at least seen to try to get the East West link built. Such was the feeling here in Victoria that we now have a true majority government for the first time in ages. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11487957)
Thats what you get for introducing things like the GP co payment and cuts to TAFE. Again and again the Liberals fail to understand that it's the workers that decide the outcome in close fought elections. The Ambulance and Firefighters are revered people in society and to make them the political brunt of social reform Lliberal style, brings this kind of outcome.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the supposed main policy of the liberals manifesto the East West link now. It could still be built. What will be built are the 50 Level Crossing bypasses which should have been done years ago.... So lets see whether the Rail tunnel goes ahead or the East West link, there's going to be some detailed negotiation ahead methinks. If Labour wants to be re-elected he should be at least seen to try to get the East West link built. Such was the feeling here in Victoria that we now have a true majority government for the first time in ages. Expect a similar result in Queensland soon. I think we shall see some serious back pedalling from the federal government now...:lol: |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11487957)
Such was the feeling here in Victoria that we now have a true majority government for the first time in ages.
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Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11487964)
You assume the rest of the world knows what's going on in Victoria. How about starting your story from the beginning.
I'll say it with Pictures. http://cdn.fairfaxregional.com.au/si...9638c48946.jpg http://resources3.news.com.au/images...de-protest.jpg http://resources3.news.com.au/images...rs-protest.jpg http://resources3.news.com.au/images...rvice-cuts.jpg http://intermediatescan.files.wordpr...h-by-300-m.jpg http://resources1.news.com.au/images...e-protests.jpg http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam...8118800000.jpg Bye bye and good riddance Liberal overlords. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
I wasn't sure about Andrews so voted for my local Liberal who does a good job.
Though the West/East link was a debacle.. that said..removing level crossings is a huge undertaking and would actually also make a big difference so I can't say I am too concerned about the Lab govt. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Oh you mean the typical Lib Lab thing. Lab spends to please the voters at the same time putting budgets in jeopardy. The voters get consumed with the debt crisis, vote in Libs to clean it all up. The voters get disgruntled because of the spring clean and vote in the Labs again to spend spend spend. You mean that typical political cycle?
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Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
The people have spoken
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Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
(Post 11487983)
I wasn't sure about Andrews so voted for my local Liberal who does a good job.
Though the West/East link was a debacle.. that said..removing level crossings is a huge undertaking and would actually also make a big difference so I can't say I am too concerned about the Lab govt. Just to illustrate for people reading and wondering how level crossings at 50 main arterial roads opening and shutting at least 4 times, sometime 8 times an hour across Melbournes major routes affects the roads here. http://resources1.news.com.au/images...d712bd2b89.jpg Some of these are on 6 lane dual carriageways.... St Georges Rd Bell St and carriageways Rd and in Reservoir for instance. Talk about antiquation. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11487990)
Just to illustrate for people reading and wondering how level crossings at 50 main arterial roads opening and shutting at least 4 times, sometime 8 times an hour across Melbournes major routes affects the roads here.
http://resources1.news.com.au/images...d712bd2b89.jpg Some of these are on 6 lane dual carriageways.... St Georges Rd Bell St and carriageways Rd and in Reservoir for instance. Talk about antiquation. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11487990)
Just to illustrate for people reading and wondering how level crossings at 50 main arterial roads opening and shutting at least 4 times, sometime 8 times an hour across Melbournes major routes affects the roads here.
http://resources1.news.com.au/images...d712bd2b89.jpg Some of these are on 6 lane dual carriageways.... St Georges Rd Bell St and carriageways Rd and in Reservoir for instance. Talk about antiquation. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11488027)
You need to start the story from scratch. What's the issue?
Traffic congestion, the Liberals get in and run the system down because it's public, Labour gets in and has to spend money just to keep it running. Meantime we're left with Victorian infrastructure on the railways and highways... These bridges/underpasses should have been built back in the late 40's during the post war boom. As for the typical worker/spending thing, One group you don't alienate is the essential services like the Firemen and Ambulance people. That leads to sympathy from all corners. Then on top of that spit in their faces by giving the politicians pay rises. Really really stupid stuff from the Liberals here. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
The CFMEU now controls Victoria
Party on Garth |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11488035)
Traffic congestion, the Liberals get in and run the system down because it's public, Labour gets in and has to spend money just to keep it running. Meantime we 're left with Victorian infrastructure on the railways and highways... These bridges/underpasses should have been built back in the late 40's during the post war boom.
As for the typical worker/spending thing, One group you don't alienate is the essential services like the Firemen and Ambulance people. That leads to sympathy from all corners. Then on top of that spit in their faces by giving the politicians pay rises. Really really stupid stuff from the Liberals here. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11488043)
And restructuring public services to be more efficient
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Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11488043)
Right. So traffic issues steming from 60 years ago cost a government its place in power? And restructuring public services to be more efficient thus saving the tax payer money also costed a government its power. From up here in the Premier state it sounds like you guys in Victoria are not very bright or other forces are running your state.
'Other forces' - there has always been an issue with rail and road. A planning mistake in the past, yes. In the same way big cities in the world often struggle with pre- 19th c planning decisions. Melbourne has a grid - London is a patchwork snarl of roads that evolved. More recently noone seperated road and rail. It seemed to come to a head this time - with discussion of the West-East link or equivalent. This has been ongoing for a while. Remember that previous govts had built Citylink etc which is largely a success, really - and that previous govts in the 90s had rejuvenated docklands etc and transformed the way Melbourne attracted people in general to the State, whether residents or tourists. The East-West is just more of the same. I am not convinced that people hang everything on ambos and firies. There was also the thing that the Liberal govt had been very quiet - perhaps way too quiet and then had a change of leader. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11487957)
Thats what you get for introducing things like the GP co payment and cuts to TAFE. Again and again the Liberals fail to understand that it's the workers that decide the outcome in close fought elections. The Ambulance and Firefighters are revered people in society and to make them the political brunt of social reform Lliberal style, brings this kind of outcome.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the supposed main policy of the liberals manifesto the East West link now. It could still be built. What will be built are the 50 Level Crossing bypasses which should have been done years ago.... So lets see whether the Rail tunnel goes ahead or the East West link, there's going to be some detailed negotiation ahead methinks. If Labour wants to be re-elected he should be at least seen to try to get the East West link built. Such was the feeling here in Victoria that we now have a true majority government for the first time in ages. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
You know why the median strip of the Eastern Freeway is so wide? Because Doncaster rail is supposed to be there!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doncaster_railway_line |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Really. Actually were going great guns up here. Things are happening.
Firstly it becomes a sad state of affairs when governments voted out, rather than governments voted in because they can offer more. Secondly it becomes even sadder when the state is voting with regard to federal issues rather than state issues ie GP co payments. - nothing that a state government can control. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
(Post 11488051)
I am not convinced that people hang everything on ambos and firies.
Not sure about the veracity of these numbers but Vic ambos don't seem to be doing too badly to me! No Cookies | Herald Sun TOP-level paramedics in Victoria will have total salaries worth more than $157,000 by 2016 under the Napthine ÂGovernment's pay offer. And paramedics on the most common grading within Ambulance Victoria will receive about $110,000 a year in pay and entitlements once the full salary boost kicks in. Graduates would get almost $92,000, including a base salary of about $69,000, while workers on the most common AVS grade, Advanced Life Support 6, would get about $110,000. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11488057)
Secondly it becomes even sadder when the state is voting with regard to federal issues rather than state issues
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Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 11488060)
You can thank your man Tony for that. Any vote I can cast that makes it less likely he can sleep at night is worth it for me! (and I couldn't care less about $7 GP copayments!)
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Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 11488059)
I have little sympathy for people who voluntarily take up a job knowing what it pays, then complain about the pay! Remember the fire fighters in the UK and their claim for a 40% increase...ludicrous.
Not sure about the veracity of these numbers but Vic ambos don't seem to be doing too badly to me! No Cookies | Herald Sun You never see that for the 35K people working at the post office for starters... owise we'd all be on 80K per annum using the government system of working the Ambos salary. Whatever the situation is, the Ambos campaign had a massive effect on the outcome of this election, otherwise Andrews wouldn't have mentioned it early in his winners speech. He said prior to this election he would sack the board... hence they will be gone this week. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11488086)
First point on this one, is every figure the government has released re the Ambos salary has included the arbitory superannuation that every company in Australia has to pay.... So thats 9.5 pct extra for start off. That fact has infuriated them.... no where else in government circles does this. I think there was talk about the sick leave component being added as a financial figure as well.
So what is Andrews going to offer them...do we know? To send the pay dispute to an independent umpire according to his website...what if it comes back with a worse offer? I don't deny it's had an impact...ambulances driving around scrawled with political slogans for a year at least has been very noticeable. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11488086)
First point on this one, is every figure the government has released re the AmGovernmentalary has included the arbitory superannuation that evlabour ompany in Australia has to pay.... So thats 9.5 pct extra for start off. That fact Australiainfuriated them.... no where else in government circles does this. I think there was talk about the sick leave component being added as a financial figure as well.
You never see that for the 35K people working at the post office for starters... owise we'd all be on 80K per annum using the government system of working the Ambos salary. Whatever the situation is, the Ambos campaign had a massive effect on the outcome of this election, otherwise Andrews wouldn't have mentioned it early in his winners speech. He said prior to this election he would sack the board... hence they will be gone this week. As for the 50 rail crossings, well they were there the last time Labour was in, they haven't appeared in the last few years. Its just electioneering and the electorate fall for it everytime. labour will find it much harder this time as the budgets are maxed out. one thing that is proven is the electorate is not prepared to do some hard yards to fix the escalating debt issues. Australias fantasticly well paid workers are in for some shocks inbthe coming decade. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11488086)
First point on this one, is every figure the government has released re the Ambos salary has included the arbitory superannuation that every company in Australia has to pay.... So thats 9.5 pct extra for start off. That fact has infuriated them.... no where else in government circles does this. I think there was talk about the sick leave component being added as a financial figure as well.
You never see that for the 35K people working at the post office for starters... owise we'd all be on 80K per annum using the government system of working the Ambos salary. Whatever the situation is, the Ambos campaign had a massive effect on the outcome of this election, otherwise Andrews wouldn't have mentioned it early in his winners speech. He said prior to this election he would sack the board... hence they will be gone this week. I'm not attacking public workers Ozzie - but I do notice they seem to almost save sick up - and use it - almost as cash to spend...in the private sector you take it - well - when you are sick. I've never met a single private employee who monitors their sick entitlement and decides to spend it if they are not getting through it fast enough (and practically broadcasts it!) Still -that goes back to lower salaries of course. I thought the gripe was that VIC ambos were paid substantially less than in other states. IF some of these level crossings happen I will be happy - if they don't then the Labour govt can clear out in 4 years(!) |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
(Post 11488258)
Public sector employee naivety - it's normal for super to be included in packages. If those whopping 6 figure salaries are inc super they are still doing well indeed - if it is indeed sick money then that arguably reflects a cultural issue. Most people in the private sector do not see sick money as money to spend.
I'm not attacking public workers Ozzie - but I do notice they seem to almost save sick up - and use it - almost as cash to spend...in the private sector you take it - well - when you are sick. I've never met a single private employee who monitors their sick entitlement and decides to spend it if they are not getting through it fast enough (and practically broadcasts it!) Still -that goes back to lower salaries of course. I thought the gripe was that VIC ambos were paid substantially less than in other states. IF some of these level crossings happen I will be happy - if they don't then the Labour govt can clear out in 4 years(!) |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by papilon
(Post 11488310)
You hear it often amongst blue collar workers, especially unionised workers where it is literally seen as salary to be used up each year.
Got to admit I've got plenty in the bank for my coming pre retirement years... Trying to earmark some long weekends in 2015. The majority dont use it in the manner described above. However a substantial amount of people (20 pct ?) use the whole lot each year. As everyone says you cant take it with you and it's no cash benefit when you retire. As far as I'm concerned if the employers "Mandatory" 9.5 pct super contribution is being included in stated wages then they're a dodgy lot... Fair enough if they quote their contribution in job advertisements if it's above the mandatory amount. Point is employers have to pay this to everyone on salaried wages. Apparently the Victorian Ambos were the lowest paid in Australia... and when the majority started their profession they probably weren't. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11488726)
Got to admit I've got plenty in the bank for my coming pre retirement years... Trying to earmark some long weekends in 2015. The majority dont use it in the manner described above. However a substantial amount of people (20 pct ?) use the whole lot each year. As everyone says you cant take it with you and it's no cash benefit when you retire.
As far as I'm concerned if the employers "Mandatory" 9.5 pct super contribution is being included in stated wages then they're a dodgy lot... Fair enough if they quote their contribution in job advertisements if it's above the mandatory amount. Apparently the Victorian Ambos were the lowest paid in Australia... and when the majority started their profession they probably weren't. I do Using it to show overall income is therefore valid A non-issue |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 11488728)
Lots of people have super included in their stated salary/rate
I do Using it to show overall income is therefore valid A non-issue You cannot be employed without that 9.5 pct and in most cases it's decades away from being a usable benefit. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11488731)
Never quoted in the Public sector, so it is an issue. Especially when it was added as salary combined with the average sick leave taken.
You cannot be employed without that 9.5 pct and in most cases it's decades away from being a usable benefit. Like I said, a non-issue This union is just spouting more socialist bullshit - and yet another union, the CFMEU, now runs your state Enjoy! |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Well done Victoria :thumbup:
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Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11488731)
Never quoted in the Public sector, so it is an issue. Especially when it was added as salary combined with the average sick leave taken.
You cannot be employed without that 9.5 pct and in most cases it's decades away from being a usable benefit. What's the issue about the sick leave thing? I don't understand. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by JoeBloggs80
(Post 11488770)
Well done Victoria :thumbup:
The people have spoken.....and this is just the start:thumbup: |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11488788)
Included in mine. Gross package.
What's the issue about the sick lesomething don't understand. more including roster days. Then you begin to understand why constuction costs are so high. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by papilon
(Post 11488806)
I think the issue is there is a certain type of individual who regards sick pay/leave as sonething to be used up each year, use your holiday entitlement then use your sick leave as holiday. some of those union boys in construction would be taking nearly 2 months off a year
more including roster days. Then you begin to understand why constuction costs are so high. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by papilon
(Post 11488806)
Then you begin to understand why constuction costs are so high.
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Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11488809)
Seriously. No doctors note required?
It's all part of the general federal award for all workers on award wages around the nation.. Which the vast majority of employers take onboard whether under federal award or not. Generally new migrants aren't afforded these base workers rights by employers that bring in staff from overseas on contracts. Muck around with these base rights, like penalty rates, and pay the consequences as Howard/Napthine now know and Abbot and Newman are about to find out. |
Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
(Post 11488817)
5 days per annum with no doctors note at Post and Government Hospitals. 3 weeks accruing in total per annum. The uncertificated leave component doesn't compound. Which is why people use that component first and regularly. Only 2 days concurrent can be taken without a certificate.
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Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 11488828)
Its not a perk mate. You are using my tax to take a perk. Its designed for being sick. If we did this in the private sector we'd be out on our ear ...... shocking stuff. What a disgrace.
Plus Aus Post pays tax rather than receives it. The system/Aus tradition is now safe in Victoria, and federally probably, for another 4 years at least. |
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