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ozzieeagle Nov 29th 2014 10:14 am

Attack the workers and pay the price.
 
Thats what you get for introducing things like the GP co payment and cuts to TAFE. Again and again the Liberals fail to understand that it's the workers that decide the outcome in close fought elections. The Ambulance and Firefighters are revered people in society and to make them the political brunt of social reform Lliberal style, brings this kind of outcome.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the supposed main policy of the liberals manifesto the East West link now. It could still be built.

What will be built are the 50 Level Crossing bypasses which should have been done years ago.... So lets see whether the Rail tunnel goes ahead or the East West link, there's going to be some detailed negotiation ahead methinks. If Labour wants to be re-elected he should be at least seen to try to get the East West link built.

Such was the feeling here in Victoria that we now have a true majority government for the first time in ages.

Beoz Nov 29th 2014 10:24 am

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 11487957)
Thats what you get for introducing things like the GP co payment and cuts to TAFE. Again and again the Liberals fail to understand that it's the workers that decide the outcome in close fought elections. The Ambulance and Firefighters are revered people in society and to make them the political brunt of social reform Lliberal style, brings this kind of outcome.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the supposed main policy of the liberals manifesto the East West link now. It could still be built.

What will be built are the 50 Level Crossing bypasses which should have been done years ago.... So lets see whether the Rail tunnel goes ahead or the East West link, there's going to be some detailed negotiation ahead methinks. If Labour wants to be re-elected he should be at least seen to try to get the East West link built.

Such was the feeling here in Victoria that we now have a true majority government for the first time in ages.

You assume the rest of the world knows what's going on in Victoria. How about starting your story from the beginning.

Grayling Nov 29th 2014 10:34 am

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 11487957)
Thats what you get for introducing things like the GP co payment and cuts to TAFE. Again and again the Liberals fail to understand that it's the workers that decide the outcome in close fought elections. The Ambulance and Firefighters are revered people in society and to make them the political brunt of social reform Lliberal style, brings this kind of outcome.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the supposed main policy of the liberals manifesto the East West link now. It could still be built.

What will be built are the 50 Level Crossing bypasses which should have been done years ago.... So lets see whether the Rail tunnel goes ahead or the East West link, there's going to be some detailed negotiation ahead methinks. If Labour wants to be re-elected he should be at least seen to try to get the East West link built.

Such was the feeling here in Victoria that we now have a true majority government for the first time in ages.

Great stuff:thumbsup:

Expect a similar result in Queensland soon.

I think we shall see some serious back pedalling from the federal government now...:lol:

bcworld Nov 29th 2014 10:39 am

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 11487957)
Such was the feeling here in Victoria that we now have a true majority government for the first time in ages.

I didn't really have an issue with the Lib government, to my mind at least they sat nicely in a centre right position, unlike some of the other rabid state and federal Lib govts that are so popular with BE's right faction! For that reason I dithered about what to do...what message does it send dumping them, that we want nasty neocons instead like the Abbott govt or in Qld! Mind you, I didn't think for long, as much as I might actually prefer the Libs in Victoria vs Labor, I still voted against them...because I'm unable to vote for any Lib representation while Abbott is around...I'm one of those people we keep reading about that can't see past the federal situation! Just waiting to see how it will pan out now in Prahran...I think we might be waiting some time!

ozzieeagle Nov 29th 2014 10:59 am

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11487964)
You assume the rest of the world knows what's going on in Victoria. How about starting your story from the beginning.

Cuts cuts cuts, is all the serfs of Victoria we got from our Liberal Masters, so much so that they actually had the audacity to make essential services and education politcal footballs. Fighting with Victorian fighfighters in the most Fireprone state in the World is a pretty stupid political move.

I'll say it with Pictures.

http://cdn.fairfaxregional.com.au/si...9638c48946.jpg

http://resources3.news.com.au/images...de-protest.jpg


http://resources3.news.com.au/images...rs-protest.jpg

http://resources3.news.com.au/images...rvice-cuts.jpg
http://intermediatescan.files.wordpr...h-by-300-m.jpg

http://resources1.news.com.au/images...e-protests.jpg


http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam...8118800000.jpg


Bye bye and good riddance Liberal overlords.

BadgeIsBack Nov 29th 2014 11:06 am

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 
I wasn't sure about Andrews so voted for my local Liberal who does a good job.
Though the West/East link was a debacle..


that said..removing level crossings is a huge undertaking and would actually also make a big difference so I can't say I am too concerned about the Lab govt.

Beoz Nov 29th 2014 11:08 am

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 
Oh you mean the typical Lib Lab thing. Lab spends to please the voters at the same time putting budgets in jeopardy. The voters get consumed with the debt crisis, vote in Libs to clean it all up. The voters get disgruntled because of the spring clean and vote in the Labs again to spend spend spend. You mean that typical political cycle?

Grayling Nov 29th 2014 11:16 am

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 
The people have spoken

ozzieeagle Nov 29th 2014 11:17 am

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 11487983)
I wasn't sure about Andrews so voted for my local Liberal who does a good job.
Though the West/East link was a debacle..


that said..removing level crossings is a huge undertaking and would actually also make a big difference so I can't say I am too concerned about the Lab govt.


Just to illustrate for people reading and wondering how level crossings at 50 main arterial roads opening and shutting at least 4 times, sometime 8 times an hour across Melbournes major routes affects the roads here.



http://resources1.news.com.au/images...d712bd2b89.jpg

Some of these are on 6 lane dual carriageways.... St Georges Rd Bell St and carriageways Rd and in Reservoir for instance. Talk about antiquation.

BadgeIsBack Nov 29th 2014 11:29 am

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 11487990)
Just to illustrate for people reading and wondering how level crossings at 50 main arterial roads opening and shutting at least 4 times, sometime 8 times an hour across Melbournes major routes affects the roads here.



http://resources1.news.com.au/images...d712bd2b89.jpg

Some of these are on 6 lane dual carriageways.... St Georges Rd Bell St and carriageways Rd and in Reservoir for instance. Talk about antiquation.

They did the one at Springvale - must have made a massive difference.

Beoz Nov 29th 2014 12:28 pm

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 11487990)
Just to illustrate for people reading and wondering how level crossings at 50 main arterial roads opening and shutting at least 4 times, sometime 8 times an hour across Melbournes major routes affects the roads here.



http://resources1.news.com.au/images...d712bd2b89.jpg

Some of these are on 6 lane dual carriageways.... St Georges Rd Bell St and carriageways Rd and in Reservoir for instance. Talk about antiquation.

You need to start the story from scratch. What's the issue?

ozzieeagle Nov 29th 2014 12:53 pm

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11488027)
You need to start the story from scratch. What's the issue?


Traffic congestion, the Liberals get in and run the system down because it's public, Labour gets in and has to spend money just to keep it running. Meantime we're left with Victorian infrastructure on the railways and highways... These bridges/underpasses should have been built back in the late 40's during the post war boom.

As for the typical worker/spending thing, One group you don't alienate is the essential services like the Firemen and Ambulance people. That leads to sympathy from all corners. Then on top of that spit in their faces by giving the politicians pay rises. Really really stupid stuff from the Liberals here.

Amazulu Nov 29th 2014 1:20 pm

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 
The CFMEU now controls Victoria

Party on Garth

Beoz Nov 29th 2014 1:29 pm

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 11488035)
Traffic congestion, the Liberals get in and run the system down because it's public, Labour gets in and has to spend money just to keep it running. Meantime we 're left with Victorian infrastructure on the railways and highways... These bridges/underpasses should have been built back in the late 40's during the post war boom.

As for the typical worker/spending thing, One group you don't alienate is the essential services like the Firemen and Ambulance people. That leads to sympathy from all corners. Then on top of that spit in their faces by giving the politicians pay rises. Really really stupid stuff from the Liberals here.

Right. So traffic issues steming from 60 years ago cost a government its place in power? And restructuring public services to be more efficient thus saving the tax payer money also costed a government its power. From up here in the Premier state it sounds like you guys in Victoria are not very bright or other forces are running your state.

bcworld Nov 29th 2014 1:44 pm

Re: Attack the workers and pay the price.
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11488043)
And restructuring public services to be more efficient

If being more efficient simply means they consume less money, then perhaps that's the case. When I read up on the impact of the government's cuts to TAFE though, it seemed like in many cases they left behind a system that was no longer fit for purpose.


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