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Old Aug 23rd 2009 | 11:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Swerv-o
Do you think this could be the last gasp for Ponting? He's definitely a fine batsman, but is he getting a bit tired as captain now?


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Ponting is still the aussies best batter and leader of the team. Don't think Clarke as captain would be favourable. Think the aussie public/media are using Ponting as a scapegoat.
 
Old Aug 23rd 2009 | 11:49 pm
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Originally Posted by dodge26
Ponting is still the aussies best batter and leader of the team. Don't think Clarke as captain would be favourable. Think the aussie public/media are using Ponting as a scapegoat.
He's the captain. That's what he's there for.
 
Old Aug 23rd 2009 | 11:53 pm
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Originally Posted by dodge26
Ponting is still the aussies best batter and leader of the team. Don't think Clarke as captain would be favourable. Think the aussie public/media are using Ponting as a scapegoat.
He's a shit captain always has been.
 
Old Aug 23rd 2009 | 11:55 pm
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Originally Posted by fraser
He's a shit captain always has been.
Stick to watching the Irons
 
Old Aug 23rd 2009 | 11:57 pm
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Originally Posted by dodge26
Stick to watching the Irons
Why it's true he's never been a good captain, he had a great team I could have captained them.
 
Old Aug 24th 2009 | 12:37 am
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Originally Posted by fraser
Why it's true he's never been a good captain, he had a great team I could have captained them.

Facts good captains are the ones who win a large % of games. Take some past aussie captains Mark Taylor won 26 lost 13 poor, arguably the aussies best captain Allan Border won 32 lost 22 not that great. Look at Ponting won 39 lost 11.But Ponting stats are not as good as Steve Waugh but to say he is Shit is bizarre.
 
Old Aug 24th 2009 | 12:41 am
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Originally Posted by dodge26
Facts good captains are the ones who win a large % of games. Take some past aussie captains Mark Taylor won 26 lost 13 poor, arguably the aussies best captain Allan Border won 32 lost 22 not that great. Look at Ponting won 39 lost 11.But Ponting stats are not as good as Steve Waugh but to say he is Shit is bizarre.
So are you telling me that superb Aussie side wouldn't have won as many games with a different captain? Of course they would they were easy to captain.

What's more I've yet to meet an aussie that thinks he's a good captain.
 
Old Aug 24th 2009 | 12:45 am
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Originally Posted by fraser
So are you telling me that superb Aussie side wouldn't have won as many games with a different captain? Of course they would they were easy to captain.

What's more I've yet to meet an aussie that thinks he's a good captain.
So who would be a better captain of the current aussie side?
 
Old Aug 24th 2009 | 3:29 am
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Originally Posted by fraser
Why it's true he's never been a good captain, he had a great team I could have captained them.
No, you couldn't have.
 
Old Aug 24th 2009 | 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by EvannTel
No, you couldn't have.
I'm with Fraser. When you have a team of players that are that good it doesn't matter who your captain, coach, team directors etc etc are.

Ponting has now been shown up to be the captain that he is. He WAS a captain of great players, but that did not make him a great captain. The truth is, once those players left his decisions became all the more important and he has been found wanting on too many occasions since. Even in 05' when it was considered the Aussies had the best team ever, he managed to make some calls that really turned the game in our favour
 
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Originally Posted by fraser
.... I could have captained them.
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(When did you get this desire to captain the Aussie cricket team? )
 
Old Aug 24th 2009 | 10:07 am
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(When did you get this desire to captain the Aussie cricket team? )
Ha ha, never amnd the previous poster is right I couldn't captain them, but then again it wasn't meant to be taken literally.
 
Old Aug 24th 2009 | 11:20 am
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Ponting is simply finding out that it's much harder to win Cricket matches when you don't have Warne or McGrath to toss the ball to.

They got over 1200 wickets between them at 20 runs a piece over the last decade. That's a heck of wickets to find from elsewhere.
 
Old Aug 24th 2009 | 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Pearl&Wal
Ponting is simply finding out that it's much harder to win Cricket matches when you don't have Warne or McGrath to toss the ball to.

They got over 1200 wickets between them at 20 runs a piece over the last decade. That's a heck of wickets to find from elsewhere.
Speaking of which, I see Cricinfo are doing a thing on the all time XI for various countries. They've started with England and initially they were scratching their heads over the batting line up.

Why bother. When you can toss the ball to SF Barnes, Derek Underwood, Harold Larwood and Jim Laker, with the odd over from Ian Botham, the Strabane Primary School top six will get you enough runs.
 
Old Aug 24th 2009 | 1:17 pm
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makes for interesting reading

http://www.cricinfo.com/engvaus2009/...ry/421995.html
 


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