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The Ashes
What a result, Will it be mentioned tomorrow on the news. I doubt it and if it is there will be no praise for the English Team.
Can't wait to get on site and sling some s**t back at the very sore LOOSERS:thumbup::thumbup::thumbsup: |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by nickyjohnt
(Post 7869041)
What a result, Will it be mentioned tomorrow on the news. I doubt it and if it is there will be no praise for the English Team.
Can't wait to get on site and sling some s**t back at the very sore LOOSERS:thumbup::thumbup::thumbsup: |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Pollyana
(Post 7869053)
Plenty of mileage in this one :) Just watch those sore losers licking their wounds :lol:
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Re: The Ashes
Currently front page on The Age http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...001836860.html
Just out of curiosity: why can't English fans celebrate a victory without becoming derogatory? :sneaky: :lol: |
Re: The Ashes
Congrats to England.
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Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 7869601)
Congrats to England.
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Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by MartinLuther
(Post 7869591)
Currently front page on The Age http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...001836860.html
Just out of curiosity: why can't English fans celebrate a victory without becoming derogatory? :sneaky: :lol: |
Re: The Ashes
The shit excuses have already started:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...001505,00.html Aussies have short memories. A certain Kepler Wessels, a Saffa, played test cricket for Australia in the '80s. He also scored a century on debut. Australia selects loads of other nationalities in many sports and call them their own - so this article is a bit rich. Answer is for Australia to follow the Poms lead and select more South Africans seeing as we are the greatest cricket nation - ever. :D |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by MartinLuther
(Post 7869608)
And SA? :D
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Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 7869665)
The shit excuses have already started:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...001505,00.html Aussies have short memories. A certain Kepler Wessels, a Saffa, played test cricket for Australia in the '80s. He also scored a century on debut. Australia selects loads of other nationalities in many sports and call them their own - so this article is a bit rich. Answer is for Australia to follow the Poms lead and select more South Africans seeing as we are the greatest cricket nation - ever. :D I noticed after Australia's first innings that the Australian press were complaining about the state of the wicket, and how the groundsman needed to be spoken to about overbaking it. I am guessing that these pitch conditions applied to both teams evenly? It does seem odd how the Aussies are unable to accept that on the day the other team outplayed them, and they need to find a non-performance related excuse. It was the same with the rugby on Saturday night - all down to bad refereeing apparently. I am glad that England have won the Ashes back - after their performance here in 2007, they needed to improve. But we should be gracious in victory - and demonstrate another trait that the Aussies seem to miss the point of... S |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by MartinLuther
(Post 7869591)
Currently front page on The Age http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...001836860.html
Just out of curiosity: why can't English fans celebrate a victory without becoming derogatory? :sneaky: :lol: |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 7869689)
I noticed after Australia's first innings that the Australian press were complaining about the state of the wicket, and how the groundsman needed to be spoken to about overbaking it.
I am guessing that these pitch conditions applied to both teams evenly? It does seem odd how the Aussies are unable to accept that on the day the other team outplayed them, and they need to find a non-performance related excuse. It was the same with the rugby on Saturday night - all down to bad refereeing apparently. I am glad that England have won the Ashes back - after their performance here in 2007, they needed to improve. But we should be gracious in victory - and demonstrate another trait that the Aussies seem to miss the point of... S |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar
(Post 7869692)
I love the fact that the Aussies were blaming the pitch. Surely they should be used to dry wickets?
You would have thought so, and you would have also thought that the conditions would have been the same for both teams. I think if the Aussies weren't such sore losers, then they wouldn't get ribbed so mercilessly when they do lose. To be fair though, the coverage on Nine this morning was pretty good, and well balanced - it got plenty of air time and seemed to be in reasonably good spirits. S |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 7869601)
Congrats to England.
As for ungracious defeat/victory - went in to a cafe the other week and was asked by a very agressive cocky Aussie how i was enjoying being thrashed by the Aussies at cricket. Strange given our reasonably strong scottish accents... (We did say well I didnt know Scotland were playing!) I'm sure this great result will have wiped the smug smile off his face now though. Tempted to go back at the wekend to say hello but will try hard not to sink to that level...:rofl: |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by scotdownunder
(Post 7869705)
And I really never thought i would say this but yeah congrats to England!!
As for ungracious defeat/victory - went in to a cafe the other week and was asked by a very agressive cocky Aussie how i was enjoying being thrashed by the Aussies at cricket. Strange given our reasonably strong scottish accents... (We did say well I didnt know Scotland were playing!) I'm sure this great result will have wiped the smug smile off his face now though. Tempted to go back at the wekend to say hello but will try hard not to sink to that level...:rofl: Wow, does one win, one loss and two draws count as a thrashing? S |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 7869689)
I noticed after Australia's first innings that the Australian press were complaining about the state of the wicket, and how the groundsman needed to be spoken to about overbaking it.
I am guessing that these pitch conditions applied to both teams evenly? It does seem odd how the Aussies are unable to accept that on the day the other team outplayed them, and they need to find a non-performance related excuse. It was the same with the rugby on Saturday night - all down to bad refereeing apparently. I am glad that England have won the Ashes back - after their performance here in 2007, they needed to improve. But we should be gracious in victory - and demonstrate another trait that the Aussies seem to miss the point of... S Australia are too old, have a poor captain, management and selection team and have lost their spark. The times they are a changing...... |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 7869715)
Exactly, the pitch can work for either team, although winning the toss helps. Australia need to stop this ridiculous idea that they can win without a specialised spinner because they can't. I think some selectors need retiring. In a way, it's a reflection of the fact that Australia are now an average test team. Warne was always selected - even when the pitch did not suit him, he was that good and also had a good influence on the team.
Australia are too old, have a poor captain, management and selection team and have lost their spark. The times they are a changing...... Do you think this could be the last gasp for Ponting? He's definitely a fine batsman, but is he getting a bit tired as captain now? S |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 7869718)
Do you think this could be the last gasp for Ponting? He's definitely a fine batsman, but is he getting a bit tired as captain now?
S |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 7869715)
Exactly, the pitch can work for either team, although winning the toss helps. Australia need to stop this ridiculous idea that they can win without a specialised spinner because they can't. I think some selectors need retiring. In a way, it's a reflection of the fact that Australia are now an average test team. Warne was always selected - even when the pitch did not suit him, he was that good and also had a good influence on the team.
Australia are too old, have a poor captain, management and selection team and have lost their spark. The times they are a changing...... Australia lost because of the bowling of Stuart Broad on the second day. Pure and simple. It was a match winning performance, and he rightly got the MOM award. |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 7869725)
Three of the four innings of the match made nearly 350, so the wicket wasn't really an issue. If all the innings had made no more than 200 then there might be a case against the wicket.
Australia lost because of the bowling of Stuart Broad on the second day. Pure and simple. It was a match winning performance, and he rightly got the MOM award. |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by fraser
(Post 7869728)
Yep the only thing wrong with the wicket is the Aussies let it get into their mind that plus Broads spell = defeat.
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Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by fraser
(Post 7869728)
Yep the only thing wrong with the wicket is the Aussies let it get into their mind that plus Broads spell = defeat.
But 1200 runs scored in less than 4 days shows it wasn't a bad pitch.. |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Burbage
(Post 7869725)
Three of the four innings of the match made nearly 350, so the wicket wasn't really an issue. If all the innings had made no more than 200 then there might be a case against the wicket.
Australia lost because of the bowling of Stuart Broad on the second day. Pure and simple. It was a match winning performance, and he rightly got the MOM award. The Aussie Ashes side of 06/07 was their peak. Any Aussies that thought that they could lose so many great (some of the greatest) players and still be the best were kidding themselves. |
Re: The Ashes
No idea which news channel was just on (was listening but not watching) but they did two long reports, talking to Brits and Aussies and giving a fair report. You guys definitely live in a different Australia to me. I also heard them saying that Ponting was probably due some grief and was it time he went? - let's hope so.
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Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 7870260)
No idea which news channel was just on (was listening but not watching) but they did two long reports, talking to Brits and Aussies and giving a fair report. You guys definitely live in a different Australia to me. I also heard them saying that Ponting was probably due some grief and was it time he went? - let's hope so.
Sounds like the show I watched on Nine this morning. I thought it was pretty balanced myself. S |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 7869718)
Do you think this could be the last gasp for Ponting? He's definitely a fine batsman, but is he getting a bit tired as captain now?
S At the end of the day his captaincy did not lose him the series (unlike in 05). They were just outmuscled at the moments that counted, England stood up, Aus didn't. Winning at Headingly was the worst thing to happen to Aus. Had they drawn that one, you can be sure they would have really smacked England in the final test. They sat back in their usual arrogant way and believed that by just turning up it would be won, just like in 05. I doubt it will happen, but Aussie cricket fans and the media in particular really need to change their arrogant attitude towards the rest of the world. There seems to be this belief that Aus have this god-given right to win all matches in which they play in. For a while they had the players to vindicate that belief. But they don't anymore, and they have to rid themselves of that and pay more respect to other teams. That also means looking at themselves when they lose rather than blaming it on dirty tactics as they have done in all the recent series losses. It's only going to get harder for them too, as all those teams that have suffered at their hands over the last 20 years will be regalling in the opportunity to kick them while they are down. I can't wait! It might instill a little humility in them |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders
(Post 7870403)
Can't see it happening to be honest. The only way it will happen is by him retiring all together, which would be his choice, not the selectors. He is still the best batsman in the world and Aus, for as long as I can recall have not removed the captaincy from a player without removing him from the squad.
At the end of the day his captaincy did not lose him the series (unlike in 05). They were just outmuscled at the moments that counted, England stood up, Aus didn't. Winning at Headingly was the worst thing to happen to Aus. Had they drawn that one, you can be sure they would have really smacked England in the final test. They sat back in their usual arrogant way and believed that by just turning up it would be won, just like in 05. I doubt it will happen, but Aussie cricket fans and the media in particular really need to change their arrogant attitude towards the rest of the world. There seems to be this belief that Aus have this god-given right to win all matches in which they play in. For a while they had the players to vindicate that belief. But they don't anymore, and they have to rid themselves of that and pay more respect to other teams. That also means looking at themselves when they lose rather than blaming it on dirty tactics as they have done in all the recent series losses. It's only going to get harder for them too, as all those teams that have suffered at their hands over the last 20 years will be regalling in the opportunity to kick them while they are down. I can't wait! It might instill a little humility in them |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 7870427)
One of the British supporters interviewed on the channel something news I saw said something along the lines of 'it's even sweeter because it's always you guys that win everything'. So it's not just some Aussies who think they have a god given right to win stuff. :D
But people still have long memories. In a way, Aus have become the new England. The team everybody loves/wants to beat, a victim of their own previous successes. |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders
(Post 7870431)
The funny thing is, that is just a hangover. It hasn't really been the case for a long time. We've seen the Aussies slide back down the order at the Olympics, Rugby Union, Tennis, Cricket and even Rugby League!
But people still have long memories. In a way, Aus have become the new England. The team everybody loves/wants to beat, a victim of their own previous successes. Dont get carried away - its only one win. :lol: Like the rugby and the football, probably be another decade before it happens again. Love the fact that they keep referring to the amount of Saffas in the England team. Whats that about? |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Officer Dibble
(Post 7870446)
Dont get carried away - its only one win. :lol:
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Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 7869718)
Do you think this could be the last gasp for Ponting? He's definitely a fine batsman, but is he getting a bit tired as captain now?
S |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by dodge26
(Post 7870693)
Ponting is still the aussies best batter and leader of the team. Don't think Clarke as captain would be favourable. Think the aussie public/media are using Ponting as a scapegoat.
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Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by dodge26
(Post 7870693)
Ponting is still the aussies best batter and leader of the team. Don't think Clarke as captain would be favourable. Think the aussie public/media are using Ponting as a scapegoat.
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Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by fraser
(Post 7870722)
He's a shit captain always has been.
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Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by dodge26
(Post 7870729)
Stick to watching the Irons
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Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by fraser
(Post 7870735)
Why it's true he's never been a good captain, he had a great team I could have captained them.
Facts good captains are the ones who win a large % of games. Take some past aussie captains Mark Taylor won 26 lost 13 poor, arguably the aussies best captain Allan Border won 32 lost 22 not that great. Look at Ponting won 39 lost 11.But Ponting stats are not as good as Steve Waugh but to say he is Shit is bizarre. |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by dodge26
(Post 7870898)
Facts good captains are the ones who win a large % of games. Take some past aussie captains Mark Taylor won 26 lost 13 poor, arguably the aussies best captain Allan Border won 32 lost 22 not that great. Look at Ponting won 39 lost 11.But Ponting stats are not as good as Steve Waugh but to say he is Shit is bizarre.
What's more I've yet to meet an aussie that thinks he's a good captain. |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by fraser
(Post 7870917)
So are you telling me that superb Aussie side wouldn't have won as many games with a different captain? Of course they would they were easy to captain.
What's more I've yet to meet an aussie that thinks he's a good captain. |
Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by fraser
(Post 7870735)
Why it's true he's never been a good captain, he had a great team I could have captained them.
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Re: The Ashes
Originally Posted by EvannTel
(Post 7871314)
No, you couldn't have.
Ponting has now been shown up to be the captain that he is. He WAS a captain of great players, but that did not make him a great captain. The truth is, once those players left his decisions became all the more important and he has been found wanting on too many occasions since. Even in 05' when it was considered the Aussies had the best team ever, he managed to make some calls that really turned the game in our favour |
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