bcworld

Can't help but think this is in the wrong place!

Anyway, welcome prospective 457 visa holders!

RedDragon2008

I get a bit self conscious at the mention of this Visa


Reminds me of my ex's

all 457 of them

roaringmouse

So you would prefer more temporary visas were issued rather than more companies taking a longer-term view and invest in people already in the country?

Beoz

That is a very strange ad. I mean, what does an aspiring apprentice know or care about the 457 visa scheme?

verystormy

CFMEU A bunch of thugs that do more harm to Oz than there would be by dropping a nuke on it. I would close a sight down rather than have them loons on it

Tockalosh

Well said and from personal experience true. I used to love their emails and phone calls. Like dealing with retards aka the Liverpool dockers in the early 80's.
Why train a new generation of lazy shit when you can bring in a trained hard worker ? Long live the 457.

Tim65

From my experience of apprentices they don't know how lucky they are to be in a position of a apprenteship , you just don't see them advertised in the uk.

The last one came to work from another company because he was not getting any proper training, ( apprentice carpenter ) he would brush up , dig holes or jack hammer work, he came to us shown him how to set out , levels, about to start a traditional hand cut roof 6 weeks work priceless experience asked him last week if he was enjoying his work reply yes loving it 5 days later tells me he's leaving , didn't work his notice won't return a call or e mail. And people wonder why the 457 visa is important.

tomar

Is Brendon O'connors brother in charge of that union? If so that might explain his attitude. I just think I read that somewhere.

RedDragon2008

Welcome sight when on your competitors premises...... just saying

roaringmouse

You might if you look on the Apprenticeships Website.

Tim65

You are missing the point in the local papers here in Oz you will see plenty of "apprentice wanted" you do not get that in the uk , I can remember when you would be lucky to 5 jobs advertised in the local paper

roaringmouse

People still look in or buy papers?

asher

too many applicants for too few apprenticeships, my son has been looking in the UK and been told most companies are swamped with applicants

GarryP

The thing to understand is nobody is giving any loyalty today, nor taking a long term view.

From the perspective of the employer you treat employees as things you have to have, but would sooner you didn't. They cause hassle, and the costs are extreme. As such you hire a cog to fit into an exact hole, use them as such, and then dump them when you don't need them any more. Any other behaviour and you'll get eaten alive by the fixed costs, the laws, and the competition.

From the perspective of the employee, you know you have no certainty. Forget about 'job for life', you aren't even certain of 'job for next week'. As such you viewpoint is always on the next job, the saleable skills, and trying to get more from the employer than they get from you.

It's much better to consider yourself a contractor, never think of yourself as an employee, or worse, as a 'colleague'.

Hence the rise of the unpaid intern. If you are going to get saleable training in this environment, then chances are you'll have to pay for it - and that's where the unpaid bit comes in - exchanging work for skills and experience, not money.