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she is whatever her passport says she is!!
my son was born in Germany on a consular birth certificate so he is English
but had he had a German birth certificate he would have been liable to national service at 18!!
my son was born in Germany on a consular birth certificate so he is English
but had he had a German birth certificate he would have been liable to national service at 18!!
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My daughter was born in England to two Irish parents. She is Irish. Carries an Irish passport and when asked where she comes from she always says 'I'm from Manchester but I'm Irish'. Something she says herself, not something she was taught to say.
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A conversation popped up last night about Asians born in UK. Do they say they are English/British or what their parents are.
I have some very good Indian friends, both born in UK, have British passports but they say they are Indians.
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But not so simple.
Chinese have a description of two other types of people:
banana people: yellow on the outside, white inside => second, third or more generation of emigrants who look chinese but that's their only connection with China
egg people: white outside, yellow inside, white pink or pasty but with enough knowledge of language, customs and reality in China that they can pass for Chinese.

Thats what my friend says, she was born in Hong Kong but is English. I would go by what my parents were too.
A conversation popped up last night about Asians born in UK. Do they say they are English/British or what their parents are.
I have some very good Indian friends, both born in UK, have British passports but they say they are Indians.
A conversation popped up last night about Asians born in UK. Do they say they are English/British or what their parents are.
I have some very good Indian friends, both born in UK, have British passports but they say they are Indians.
I am Polish, wife is Chinese, daughter born in China, carries Polish passport, all of us soon to become Australian citizens.
Be whatever you want I guess...
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Me & letsPretend are both full bloodied Welsh!! However my paternal grandmother was English....
Sad how all families have that little bit of shame they try to keep hidden eh...
LOL!!!
Sad how all families have that little bit of shame they try to keep hidden eh...

LOL!!!

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this question.........if your child was born in Australia, then you went back to UK and child was brought up there, would you still call your child Australian?
Reason i ask is my friend was born in Hong Kong, but moved back to UK when she was 8. She says she is English not Chinese, her parents are English and had been brought up as English, but was born in Hong Kong.
Is she Chinese or English??
Reason i ask is my friend was born in Hong Kong, but moved back to UK when she was 8. She says she is English not Chinese, her parents are English and had been brought up as English, but was born in Hong Kong.
Is she Chinese or English??
As far as I know if at least one of the parents was of Chinese heritage then she could claim Chinese citizenship. So no, in this case she's English and British. If she had applied for residency after living in HK for 7 years and before she left HK, then she could have gained permanent residency of HK SAR, i.e. a HK ID card at age 11, but not a Chinese HK SAR passport.
I'm Chinese from HK and hubby is Scottish/Irish from the UK, but we are also Australian now. Our kids are Australians because they were both born here and will be raised here. Both kids can and probably will get British passport and citizenship at some point. As we don't live in HK, we can't get them a HK SAR passport. In the future, however, if we ever decide to move to HK and live there, I think it's possible to apply for the HK SAR passports for them, but even then I'm not sure.
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Hong Kong is an exception, perhaps Macau too.
As far as I know if at least one of the parents was of Chinese heritage then she could claim Chinese citizenship. So no, in this case she's English and British. If she had applied for residency after living in HK for 7 years and before she left HK, then she could have gained permanent residency of HK SAR, i.e. a HK ID card at age 11, but not a Chinese HK SAR passport.
I'm Chinese from HK and hubby is Scottish/Irish from the UK, but we are also Australian now. Our kids are Australians because they were both born here and will be raised here. Both kids can and probably will get British passport and citizenship at some point. As we don't live in HK, we can't get them a HK SAR passport. In the future, however, if we ever decide to move to HK and live there, I think it's possible to apply for the HK SAR passports for them, but even then I'm not sure.
Mrs JTL
As far as I know if at least one of the parents was of Chinese heritage then she could claim Chinese citizenship. So no, in this case she's English and British. If she had applied for residency after living in HK for 7 years and before she left HK, then she could have gained permanent residency of HK SAR, i.e. a HK ID card at age 11, but not a Chinese HK SAR passport.
I'm Chinese from HK and hubby is Scottish/Irish from the UK, but we are also Australian now. Our kids are Australians because they were both born here and will be raised here. Both kids can and probably will get British passport and citizenship at some point. As we don't live in HK, we can't get them a HK SAR passport. In the future, however, if we ever decide to move to HK and live there, I think it's possible to apply for the HK SAR passports for them, but even then I'm not sure.
Mrs JTL
I think alot of us have something in us that we don't know about.
Should have renamed this thread "who do you think you are" after that TV programme.
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Whether one is English or Australian is largely a matter of perspective.
Here, to many of those who know me, I am English. When I return "home" to England however, I am known by most as Australian.. (and then I return "home" again to Australia!)
My daughters will no doubt consider themselves to be Australian.. but legally could call themselves British (as dual passport holders) - and could reasonably call themselves "Philippino/English Australians" if they so wished...
Ultimately if one of your nationality makes you stand out then that can be something to lay cliam to when you want (look at the number of 3rd or 4th generation Irish around the world who still claim to be "Irish") - but sometimes, if you want to blend in more and dont want to draw attention to any heritage differences then 'blending' with the locals may seem more appropriate.
Here, to many of those who know me, I am English. When I return "home" to England however, I am known by most as Australian.. (and then I return "home" again to Australia!)
My daughters will no doubt consider themselves to be Australian.. but legally could call themselves British (as dual passport holders) - and could reasonably call themselves "Philippino/English Australians" if they so wished...
Ultimately if one of your nationality makes you stand out then that can be something to lay cliam to when you want (look at the number of 3rd or 4th generation Irish around the world who still claim to be "Irish") - but sometimes, if you want to blend in more and dont want to draw attention to any heritage differences then 'blending' with the locals may seem more appropriate.
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this question.........if your child was born in Australia, then you went back to UK and child was brought up there, would you still call your child Australian?
Reason i ask is my friend was born in Hong Kong, but moved back to UK when she was 8. She says she is English not Chinese, her parents are English and had been brought up as English, but was born in Hong Kong.
Is she Chinese or English??
Reason i ask is my friend was born in Hong Kong, but moved back to UK when she was 8. She says she is English not Chinese, her parents are English and had been brought up as English, but was born in Hong Kong.
Is she Chinese or English??
By contrast, if she had been born and raised in Australia until the age of 8, she would have been Australian, since (a) "Australian" is a nationality, not an ethnicity, and (b) Australia was her natural homeland (being the land of her birth). So in that case she would be an Australian (though ethnically English). And once she was living in the UK, she would become an Australian British dual national.
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If her parents are white English, then so is she. "Chinese" is an ethnicity and you can't adopt a brand new ethnicity any more than you can change your race or the colour of your skin. So on the basis of ethnicity, she was never Chinese; she could only ever be English. At most, she was an English Hong Kong national.
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Not quite right.
Chinese is also nationality.
There are something like 85 different oficial ethnic minorities in mainland China itself, including people who would not get a second look in a little village in Sweden (until they said something) or (even more of them) in Istambul.
So who are they?
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Yes, Chinese is a nationality, but she was not born in China; she was born in Hong Kong (which is still technically autonomous). That's why I said she would be a Hong Kong national.
They are ethnic nationals.
There are something like 85 different oficial ethnic minorities in mainland China itself, including people who would not get a second look in a little village in Sweden (until they said something) or (even more of them) in Istambul.
So who are they?
So who are they?




