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asher May 13th 2008 11:06 pm

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she is whatever her passport says she is!!

my son was born in Germany on a consular birth certificate so he is English
but had he had a German birth certificate he would have been liable to national service at 18!!

worzel May 14th 2008 12:42 am

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Originally Posted by chris and farideh (Post 6347802)
I'm Iranian ( with British PP), OH is English, our daughter was born in Germany, next year she would get her Aussie Citizenship.
So what is she then, she knows she's English even thought she wasnt born there.:confused:

Interesting. I worked with an Iranian/German/Brit a year or two ago. Is there some reason why that migration path would exist?:)

Racht70 May 14th 2008 3:41 am

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Originally Posted by eve209 (Post 6348537)
I would call her a Well travelled young lady, lucky devil!!!!!:rofl:

Definately :)

breezeboylan May 14th 2008 5:47 am

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My daughter was born in England to two Irish parents. She is Irish. Carries an Irish passport and when asked where she comes from she always says 'I'm from Manchester but I'm Irish'. Something she says herself, not something she was taught to say.
Tracie

Nu-Shooz May 14th 2008 12:54 pm

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Originally Posted by breezeboylan (Post 6350743)
My daughter was born in England to two Irish parents. She is Irish. Carries an Irish passport and when asked where she comes from she always says 'I'm from Manchester but I'm Irish'. Something she says herself, not something she was taught to say.
Tracie

Thats what my friend says, she was born in Hong Kong but is English. I would go by what my parents were too.
A conversation popped up last night about Asians born in UK. Do they say they are English/British or what their parents are.
I have some very good Indian friends, both born in UK, have British passports but they say they are Indians.

Mipik May 14th 2008 1:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Centurion (Post 6348053)
Here's quite a big give away...

If your friend has slanty eyes and looks fairly asian then chances are she's Chinese. If slightly pasty with an English accent and looks a bit westerny then I think its safe to say she;s English.

A witty answer.
But not so simple.
Chinese have a description of two other types of people:

banana people: yellow on the outside, white inside => second, third or more generation of emigrants who look chinese but that's their only connection with China

egg people: white outside, yellow inside, white pink or pasty but with enough knowledge of language, customs and reality in China that they can pass for Chinese.
:)

Originally Posted by Nu-Shooz (Post 6352024)
Thats what my friend says, she was born in Hong Kong but is English. I would go by what my parents were too.
A conversation popped up last night about Asians born in UK. Do they say they are English/British or what their parents are.
I have some very good Indian friends, both born in UK, have British passports but they say they are Indians.

Things can get even more complicated.
I am Polish, wife is Chinese, daughter born in China, carries Polish passport, all of us soon to become Australian citizens.

Be whatever you want I guess...

WelshSarah May 14th 2008 1:20 pm

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Me & letsPretend are both full bloodied Welsh!! However my paternal grandmother was English....


Sad how all families have that little bit of shame they try to keep hidden eh...:(














LOL!!!:D:D

JackTheLad May 14th 2008 3:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Nu-Shooz (Post 6347728)
this question.........if your child was born in Australia, then you went back to UK and child was brought up there, would you still call your child Australian?

Reason i ask is my friend was born in Hong Kong, but moved back to UK when she was 8. She says she is English not Chinese, her parents are English and had been brought up as English, but was born in Hong Kong.

Is she Chinese or English??

Hong Kong is an exception, perhaps Macau too.

As far as I know if at least one of the parents was of Chinese heritage then she could claim Chinese citizenship. So no, in this case she's English and British. If she had applied for residency after living in HK for 7 years and before she left HK, then she could have gained permanent residency of HK SAR, i.e. a HK ID card at age 11, but not a Chinese HK SAR passport.

I'm Chinese from HK and hubby is Scottish/Irish from the UK, but we are also Australian now. Our kids are Australians because they were both born here and will be raised here. Both kids can and probably will get British passport and citizenship at some point. As we don't live in HK, we can't get them a HK SAR passport. In the future, however, if we ever decide to move to HK and live there, I think it's possible to apply for the HK SAR passports for them, but even then I'm not sure.

Mrs JTL

chris and farideh May 14th 2008 3:21 pm

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Originally Posted by worzel (Post 6349273)
Interesting. I worked with an Iranian/German/Brit a year or two ago. Is there some reason why that migration path would exist?:)

I dont understand what your question is really about, so how am I suppose to answer it, you tell me why, about the migration path would exist? :confused:

Nu-Shooz May 14th 2008 3:26 pm

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Originally Posted by JackTheLad (Post 6352381)
Hong Kong is an exception, perhaps Macau too.

As far as I know if at least one of the parents was of Chinese heritage then she could claim Chinese citizenship. So no, in this case she's English and British. If she had applied for residency after living in HK for 7 years and before she left HK, then she could have gained permanent residency of HK SAR, i.e. a HK ID card at age 11, but not a Chinese HK SAR passport.

I'm Chinese from HK and hubby is Scottish/Irish from the UK, but we are also Australian now. Our kids are Australians because they were both born here and will be raised here. Both kids can and probably will get British passport and citizenship at some point. As we don't live in HK, we can't get them a HK SAR passport. In the future, however, if we ever decide to move to HK and live there, I think it's possible to apply for the HK SAR passports for them, but even then I'm not sure.

Mrs JTL

Well thats all very confusing. But i suppose it's up to you who you want to be.
I think alot of us have something in us that we don't know about.

Should have renamed this thread "who do you think you are" after that TV programme.

worzel May 14th 2008 4:16 pm

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Originally Posted by chris and farideh (Post 6352416)
I dont understand what your question is really about, so how am I suppose to answer it, you tell me why, about the migration path would exist? :confused:

For example, a mate of mine in the UK is of Indian decent but was born in Uganda (lots of Indians in that position). When Idi Armin came to power they all fled, mostly to the UK. So there are lots of Ugandan Indians in the UK. Just wondered whether there was a similar story.:)

DadAgain May 14th 2008 4:31 pm

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Whether one is English or Australian is largely a matter of perspective.

Here, to many of those who know me, I am English. When I return "home" to England however, I am known by most as Australian.. (and then I return "home" again to Australia!)

My daughters will no doubt consider themselves to be Australian.. but legally could call themselves British (as dual passport holders) - and could reasonably call themselves "Philippino/English Australians" if they so wished...

Ultimately if one of your nationality makes you stand out then that can be something to lay cliam to when you want (look at the number of 3rd or 4th generation Irish around the world who still claim to be "Irish") - but sometimes, if you want to blend in more and dont want to draw attention to any heritage differences then 'blending' with the locals may seem more appropriate.

Vash the Stampede May 14th 2008 4:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Nu-Shooz (Post 6347728)
this question.........if your child was born in Australia, then you went back to UK and child was brought up there, would you still call your child Australian?

Reason i ask is my friend was born in Hong Kong, but moved back to UK when she was 8. She says she is English not Chinese, her parents are English and had been brought up as English, but was born in Hong Kong.

Is she Chinese or English??

If her parents are white English, then so is she. "Chinese" is an ethnicity and you can't adopt a brand new ethnicity any more than you can change your race or the colour of your skin. So on the basis of ethnicity, she was never Chinese; she could only ever be English. At most, she was an English Hong Kong national.

By contrast, if she had been born and raised in Australia until the age of 8, she would have been Australian, since (a) "Australian" is a nationality, not an ethnicity, and (b) Australia was her natural homeland (being the land of her birth). So in that case she would be an Australian (though ethnically English). And once she was living in the UK, she would become an Australian British dual national.

Mipik May 14th 2008 4:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 6352531)
If her parents are white English, then so is she. "Chinese" is an ethnicity and you can't adopt a brand new ethnicity any more than you can change your race or the colour of your skin. So on the basis of ethnicity, she was never Chinese; she could only ever be English. At most, she was an English Hong Kong national.
.

Well...
Not quite right.
Chinese is also nationality.
There are something like 85 different oficial ethnic minorities in mainland China itself, including people who would not get a second look in a little village in Sweden (until they said something) or (even more of them) in Istambul.

So who are they?

Vash the Stampede May 14th 2008 4:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Mipik (Post 6352561)
Well...
Not quite right.
Chinese is also nationality.

Yes, Chinese is a nationality, but she was not born in China; she was born in Hong Kong (which is still technically autonomous). That's why I said she would be a Hong Kong national.


There are something like 85 different oficial ethnic minorities in mainland China itself, including people who would not get a second look in a little village in Sweden (until they said something) or (even more of them) in Istambul.

So who are they?
They are ethnic nationals.


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