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this question.........if your child was born in Australia, then you went back to UK and child was brought up there, would you still call your child Australian?

Reason i ask is my friend was born in Hong Kong, but moved back to UK when she was 8. She says she is English not Chinese, her parents are English and had been brought up as English, but was born in Hong Kong.

Is she Chinese or English??

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My Understanding
I am English, as both my parents are English

She is English as both her parents are English but her kids will be half English half Chinese (Assuming she married/marries an Englishman)

But I may be wrong:p

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i will leave it up to macy to decide i know a guy who was born in canada but he doesnt call himself canadian but does tell people he was born over there.

i was born in england(as you know)but brougt up in scotland consider myself scottish but im always being told that infact im english:)

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Why will her kids be half chinese if they were born in UK with English parents?

It is a confusing one.

It just made me think that it depends on which country you were born in, how glamorous it sounds to say you are Australian rather than Chinese, when infact you are English.:confused:

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My hubby was born here to English parents and moved back to the UK when he was about 4. Never considered himself Australian, even when he was applying for his passport. He only started calling himself Australian when guys at work kept calling him Pom ;) He was always English with a bonus passport :lol:

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She is whatever she wants to be.

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My dad was born in Australia too, but never calls himself an Australian. He was brought up in UK from age of 9. He said the only Australians that exist at the moment are the Aboriginals.

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I was born and raised in Canada to an Irish father and English mother. For the first 40 something years of my life I was Irish/English. Now we've moved to Australia I'm Canadian of Irish/English heritage.

My children are Canadian born to Canadian parents, but once they get their citizenship here they'll be Australian of Canadian heritage.

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I'm Iranian ( with British PP), OH is English, our daughter was born in Germany, next year she would get her Aussie Citizenship.
So what is she then, she knows she's English even thought she wasnt born there.:confused:

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Here's quite a big give away...

If your friend has slanty eyes and looks fairly asian then chances are she's Chinese. If slightly pasty with an English accent and looks a bit westerny then I think its safe to say she;s English.

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Exactly...!

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:confused: im bamboozled! lol

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Im Scottish, hubby English, daughter was born in Scotland and lived there until she was 2 when we moved to Southern England - I tell my daughter she is Scottish, she is adamant that she is English - which I`ll let her off with as when she tries to talk"Scottish" she sounds like an Irishman:rofl:

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She would be whatever she wants to be I suppose, English, born in Hong Kong???????

Have you ever noticed though, on the Ethnic Questionaires we get when you apply for a new job for example that there is no such thing as English on the form, just White British or Other,

I always put English in the Other box,

eve

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I would call her a Well travelled young lady, lucky devil!!!!!:rofl:

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she is whatever her passport says she is!!

my son was born in Germany on a consular birth certificate so he is English
but had he had a German birth certificate he would have been liable to national service at 18!!

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Interesting. I worked with an Iranian/German/Brit a year or two ago. Is there some reason why that migration path would exist?:)

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Definately :)

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My daughter was born in England to two Irish parents. She is Irish. Carries an Irish passport and when asked where she comes from she always says 'I'm from Manchester but I'm Irish'. Something she says herself, not something she was taught to say.
Tracie

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Thats what my friend says, she was born in Hong Kong but is English. I would go by what my parents were too.
A conversation popped up last night about Asians born in UK. Do they say they are English/British or what their parents are.
I have some very good Indian friends, both born in UK, have British passports but they say they are Indians.

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A witty answer.
But not so simple.
Chinese have a description of two other types of people:

banana people: yellow on the outside, white inside => second, third or more generation of emigrants who look chinese but that's their only connection with China

egg people: white outside, yellow inside, white pink or pasty but with enough knowledge of language, customs and reality in China that they can pass for Chinese.
:)
Things can get even more complicated.
I am Polish, wife is Chinese, daughter born in China, carries Polish passport, all of us soon to become Australian citizens.

Be whatever you want I guess...

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Me & letsPretend are both full bloodied Welsh!! However my paternal grandmother was English....


Sad how all families have that little bit of shame they try to keep hidden eh...:(














LOL!!!:D:D

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Hong Kong is an exception, perhaps Macau too.

As far as I know if at least one of the parents was of Chinese heritage then she could claim Chinese citizenship. So no, in this case she's English and British. If she had applied for residency after living in HK for 7 years and before she left HK, then she could have gained permanent residency of HK SAR, i.e. a HK ID card at age 11, but not a Chinese HK SAR passport.

I'm Chinese from HK and hubby is Scottish/Irish from the UK, but we are also Australian now. Our kids are Australians because they were both born here and will be raised here. Both kids can and probably will get British passport and citizenship at some point. As we don't live in HK, we can't get them a HK SAR passport. In the future, however, if we ever decide to move to HK and live there, I think it's possible to apply for the HK SAR passports for them, but even then I'm not sure.

Mrs JTL

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I dont understand what your question is really about, so how am I suppose to answer it, you tell me why, about the migration path would exist? :confused:

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Well thats all very confusing. But i suppose it's up to you who you want to be.
I think alot of us have something in us that we don't know about.

Should have renamed this thread "who do you think you are" after that TV programme.

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For example, a mate of mine in the UK is of Indian decent but was born in Uganda (lots of Indians in that position). When Idi Armin came to power they all fled, mostly to the UK. So there are lots of Ugandan Indians in the UK. Just wondered whether there was a similar story.:)

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Whether one is English or Australian is largely a matter of perspective.

Here, to many of those who know me, I am English. When I return "home" to England however, I am known by most as Australian.. (and then I return "home" again to Australia!)

My daughters will no doubt consider themselves to be Australian.. but legally could call themselves British (as dual passport holders) - and could reasonably call themselves "Philippino/English Australians" if they so wished...

Ultimately if one of your nationality makes you stand out then that can be something to lay cliam to when you want (look at the number of 3rd or 4th generation Irish around the world who still claim to be "Irish") - but sometimes, if you want to blend in more and dont want to draw attention to any heritage differences then 'blending' with the locals may seem more appropriate.

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If her parents are white English, then so is she. "Chinese" is an ethnicity and you can't adopt a brand new ethnicity any more than you can change your race or the colour of your skin. So on the basis of ethnicity, she was never Chinese; she could only ever be English. At most, she was an English Hong Kong national.

By contrast, if she had been born and raised in Australia until the age of 8, she would have been Australian, since (a) "Australian" is a nationality, not an ethnicity, and (b) Australia was her natural homeland (being the land of her birth). So in that case she would be an Australian (though ethnically English). And once she was living in the UK, she would become an Australian British dual national.

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Well...
Not quite right.
Chinese is also nationality.
There are something like 85 different oficial ethnic minorities in mainland China itself, including people who would not get a second look in a little village in Sweden (until they said something) or (even more of them) in Istambul.

So who are they?

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Yes, Chinese is a nationality, but she was not born in China; she was born in Hong Kong (which is still technically autonomous). That's why I said she would be a Hong Kong national.

They are ethnic nationals.

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I was just splitting hairs:cool:

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My daughter was born in Australia to British Mother and Sri Lankan Father. She could have citizenship in all three countries but we have gone dual with Australian/British.

She spent first 12 months in Oz and has spent 2yrs in the UK we are heading back to Oz. She will be what she wants to be. She is very lucky being able to visit many countries with her passports and I am sure will be the envy of her friends if she decides to go travelling when older.

Jo

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Can I just split hair the further? :p

When one refers to Chinese as an ethnic group, one's normally referring to the Han Chinese who make up more than 90% of China's population. All other ethnic groups are considered minorities. The better known minority ethnic groups are the Mongols, the Miaos, the Manchus (AKA Manchurians), the Urghurs, and of course, the Tibetans, etc. There are also Russians and Koreans near the border to Russia and North Korea.

Just to confuse things a bit more, in China, Chinese is a nationality, not an ethnicity. I'm Han, mostly, I think. My dad says to check if you are Han or not, just have a look at your little toes. If you have a little vertical split on the end of the little toe nail, you have at least a bit of Han in you.

Mrs JTL

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Blimey! This stuff gets more confusing. Some think Chinese is ethnicity, a Nationality:unsure: Whatever it may be, whoever is right or wrong...i'm more confused than ever before:lol:

No splits in my toe nail. Err, whats a Han?

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Han was name of one of the best known dynasties in Chinese history. The dynasty lasted for over 400 years and was famous for the silk road linking the east to the west. Most Chinese are descendents of the Han people.

I nearly flunked Chinese history in Form 2 and can't believe I'm giving lessons here... :blink:

Mrs JTL

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At the end of the day, your daughter is from Australia, she can't change that. When someone asks her "where are you from?", she will have to say Australia.

She can go wherever she pleases throughout her life, marry whoever and become a citizen practically anywhere.... but she is still from Australia, no matter where she ends up living and no matter where her parents were born or originated.

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chinlish,you fool:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Said the fool:rofl:







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have a good weekend my darling...

xxxxxxxxxxxxx

m

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I will try, home opens not my thing.

What you up to?