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Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by renth
(Post 4939511)
Mally Lass, if you don't want to upset anyone the current "term de jour" is Indiginous Australians
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Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by renth
(Post 4939511)
Mally Lass, if you don't want to upset anyone the current "term de jour" is Indiginous Australians
Edit* actually I think it's the name of the local tribe or a shorthand of it. |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by renth
(Post 4939511)
Mally Lass, if you don't want to upset anyone the current "term de jour" is Indiginous Australians
My point about having 2 "laws" of the land is actually based upon my personal observation that reletaive peace and satisfaction only occurs where integration has taken place. Take UK as an example. Conquered by the Normans, the Romans etc yet after time integration did take place. Who claims things should be like they were prior to Roman invasion ? How far back does one go ? Should the owner of the oldest map or oldest memory be the Traditional Owner ? Isn't it a fact that the laws of any land are dictated by the dominant race and any who buck it are fractionalised; possibly leading to their eventual extinction ? In the scheme of things what happened in Australia is recent history and maybe due to that the conscience of a more modern society would not allow the previous norm to take place. The previous norm I believe is that the dominant force squeezed the lesser into acceptance of it's ways.....or be damned. So what has transpired ? We have a nation with a guilt complex not wishing to impose the general law and standards it actually believes in onto a minority. And on the other side of the coin we have a race who doesn't know if it wants the old ways or new ways.....and often it means a mix of the two whichever is seen as convenient at the time. Just some food for thought. |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by arkon
(Post 4939599)
Around my way they call then the Kurri, not sure what that means.
Edit* actually I think it's the name of the local tribe or a shorthand of it. |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by birdynumnum
(Post 4939620)
Thats used round these parts too - I thought it was a general word used referring in some way to the kauri trees which are linked to the aboriginal heritage.... ?
Probably Kuri http://www.samuseum.sa.gov.au/orig/t...s/awabakal.htm |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by Bix
(Post 4939616)
"Traditional Owners" up this way.
My point about having 2 "laws" of the land is actually based upon my personal observation that reletaive peace and satisfaction only occurs where integration has taken place. Take UK as an example. Conquered by the Normans, the Romans etc yet after time integration did take place. Who claims things should be like they were prior to Roman invasion ? How far back does one go ? Should the owner of the oldest map or oldest memory be the Traditional Owner ? Isn't it a fact that the laws of any land are dictated by the dominant race and any who buck it are fractionalised; possibly leading to their eventual extinction ? In the scheme of things what happened in Australia is recent history and maybe due to that the conscience of a more modern society would not allow the previous norm to take place. The previous norm I believe is that the dominant force squeezed the lesser into acceptance of it's ways.....or be damned. So what has transpired ? We have a nation with a guilt complex not wishing to impose the general law and standards it actually believes in onto a minority. And on the other side of the coin we have a race who doesn't know if it wants the old ways or new ways.....and often it means a mix of the two whichever is seen as convenient at the time. Just some food for thought. Spot on. |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by Bix
(Post 4939681)
Probably Kuri
http://www.samuseum.sa.gov.au/orig/t...s/awabakal.htm |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by Bix
(Post 4939616)
"Traditional Owners" up this way.
My point about having 2 "laws" of the land is actually based upon my personal observation that reletaive peace and satisfaction only occurs where integration has taken place. Take UK as an example. Conquered by the Normans, the Romans etc yet after time integration did take place. Who claims things should be like they were prior to Roman invasion ? How far back does one go ? Should the owner of the oldest map or oldest memory be the Traditional Owner ? Isn't it a fact that the laws of any land are dictated by the dominant race and any who buck it are fractionalised; possibly leading to their eventual extinction ? In the scheme of things what happened in Australia is recent history and maybe due to that the conscience of a more modern society would not allow the previous norm to take place. The previous norm I believe is that the dominant force squeezed the lesser into acceptance of it's ways.....or be damned. So what has transpired ? We have a nation with a guilt complex not wishing to impose the general law and standards it actually believes in onto a minority. And on the other side of the coin we have a race who doesn't know if it wants the old ways or new ways.....and often it means a mix of the two whichever is seen as convenient at the time. Just some food for thought. |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by arkon
(Post 4939843)
I agree totally. It does leave a problem though as how to move on. I think I will use the term Kuri from now on, doesn't seem to be a bad word, infact looks like it's their own word for man.
This is the 1st time a policeman has been charged with the death of an aborigine & it took 4 hours to dismiss him. So much for moving forward, mind you, it is queensland. 'I urge everyone to accept the courts decision'...4 hours deliberation to arrive at a no assault or manslaughter involved verdict.....even appeals to feel for the policemans family who've endured enough...... |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by birdynumnum
(Post 4941047)
Warrants a thread of its own this..... 2nights news......the 'Kuri' guy who was arrested for being drunk, an hour later he was found dead. The policeman even changed his story, admitted a scuffle at 1st, then said the Aboriginal man fell - the poor mans liver was split in 2 for ffs. Now they're saying the polceman shouldnt even have been charged.
This is the 1st time a policeman has been charged with the death of an aborigine & it took 4 hours to dismiss him. So much for moving forward, mind you, it is queensland. 'I urge everyone to accept the courts decision'...4 hours deliberation to arrive at a no assault or manslaughter involved verdict.....even appeals to feel for the policemans family who've endured enough...... |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by The S's
(Post 4941317)
I too think his "I fell on him" excuse is a pathetic one but it is up to a court to prove otherwise, and thats hard. He probably did it but its his word against a dead mans, arguement over.
As if you'd split you're liver in 2 falling over |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
As part of my teaching course we had a visit by a lady who creates possum skin cloaks. Apparently the local people were banned from making these and the skills have nearly died out so she has decided to research the historical skills and retrain local Aboriginal tribes in their own cultural heritage. The lady herself was one of the stolen generation and had some fascinating stories about the history of her people, and her stories were all the more alive because of her own passion about the subject. She came along with a guy called Uncle Larry, who is a local Elder and he shared some of the local tribe's creation stories.
Both of these people were massively positive and truly inspirational. I had a long talk to them about how I could best go about learning more about the indigenous population as I often felt awkward as king questions. I was told to just ask and that noone would take offense but instead be happy to share their knowledge and understanding as long as they are treated with respect. I was told that the local tribes tend to call themselves Koori (not sure about the spelling but I thought that it was Koori) and it is a simple way of acknowledging their link (it loosely means family) and it does not cause offense if you use it so it is a good place to start. When we first arrived here we were told by the local tourist information place that there had never been any local indigenous tribes in this area. This is clearly not true and the amount of ignorance is often really scary but it is best not to let it depress you too much. I am trying to organise a final placement in a small bush school but will have to see how that works out. Nicky |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by NickyP
(Post 4941351)
As part of my teaching course we had a visit by a lady who creates possum skin cloaks. Apparently the local people were banned from making these and the skills have nearly died out so she has decided to research the historical skills and retrain local Aboriginal tribes in their own cultural heritage. The lady herself was one of the stolen generation and had some fascinating stories about the history of her people, and her stories were all the more alive because of her own passion about the subject. She came along with a guy called Uncle Larry, who is a local Elder and he shared some of the local tribe's creation stories.
Both of these people were massively positive and truly inspirational. I had a long talk to them about how I could best go about learning more about the indigenous population as I often felt awkward as king questions. I was told to just ask and that noone would take offense but instead be happy to share their knowledge and understanding as long as they are treated with respect. I was told that the local tribes tend to call themselves Koori (not sure about the spelling but I thought that it was Koori) and it is a simple way of acknowledging their link (it loosely means family) and it does not cause offense if you use it so it is a good place to start. When we first arrived here we were told by the local tourist information place that there had never been any local indigenous tribes in this area. This is clearly not true and the amount of ignorance is often really scary but it is best not to let it depress you too much. I am trying to organise a final placement in a small bush school but will have to see how that works out. Nicky You good woman. More like you are needed. xxxxxxxx |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by birdynumnum
(Post 4941390)
Brilliant post Nicky
You good woman. More like you are needed. xxxxxxxx It can be hard when a lot of the problems in the past (at least on a local level) were caused by people who thought that they were doing the 'right' thing. I do not want to be just more of the problem (if you know what I mean). Anyway I am going to keep with it for the moment and I have so much admiration for those who are out there really making a difference. Nicky :D |
Re: An Aboriginal day today
Originally Posted by NickyP
(Post 4941351)
As part of my teaching course we had a visit by a lady who creates possum skin cloaks. Apparently the local people were banned from making these and the skills have nearly died out so she has decided to research the historical skills and retrain local Aboriginal tribes in their own cultural heritage. The lady herself was one of the stolen generation and had some fascinating stories about the history of her people, and her stories were all the more alive because of her own passion about the subject. She came along with a guy called Uncle Larry, who is a local Elder and he shared some of the local tribe's creation stories.
Both of these people were massively positive and truly inspirational. I had a long talk to them about how I could best go about learning more about the indigenous population as I often felt awkward as king questions. I was told to just ask and that noone would take offense but instead be happy to share their knowledge and understanding as long as they are treated with respect. I was told that the local tribes tend to call themselves Koori (not sure about the spelling but I thought that it was Koori) and it is a simple way of acknowledging their link (it loosely means family) and it does not cause offense if you use it so it is a good place to start. When we first arrived here we were told by the local tourist information place that there had never been any local indigenous tribes in this area. This is clearly not true and the amount of ignorance is often really scary but it is best not to let it depress you too much. I am trying to organise a final placement in a small bush school but will have to see how that works out. Nicky Nicky, it might not be just ignorance. I've been told by locals on more than one occasion that if I was ever to find some artifact or other evidence of old kuri habitation to ignore it and tell no one what I've found. The reason seems to be they are scared of areas being marked out of bounds or no go areas. |
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