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Old Nov 22nd 2014 | 7:28 pm
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Originally Posted by GarryP
Its the imposing of your viewpoint on others.

The far right, and in particular the religious far right, want to define what others can say/do/think within the terms of their viewpoint. So we have abbott forcing religious chaplains into schools, and trained councillor out. And their views on gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia, etc. - all placing religious ideology above common sense.

And then we have the other religion of the far right - that the market will solve everything.

How they can still say that, when the 'free market' almost bought down the entire financial system, is insane. It doesn't work miracles - it's just one methodology of organisation of entities - that's only right in narrowly defined instances; and when there's an adult supervising.

And as was pointed out to paulry before, the main instance of university ideology conniving to get political power was actually the right wing neocons - and look at the mess they made...

Next to that, it's really not justified to say that someone who objects to "mankind" is 'politically correct' - at least their nuts ideology and disconnect from the real world isn't as damaging.
I agree that the 'free market' doesn't work without proper fair regulation. No government, left or right could impose the changes it would need though. Change a few things and three or six years later they get reversed. But most people I think would agree that if 'sink or swim' doesn't apply, there is no free market. It's pure socialism for business funded by the people when they make disastrous decisions.

Your point on the chaplains though I'm not sure is correct. Weren't they in schools before the last election? I disagree with them even though I'm not against religion. But the idea of it seems incredibly hypocritical. It also makes Australia look like a 1950's town in the US South.
 
Old Nov 22nd 2014 | 7:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
As a conservative (and/or right-winger, I'm comfortable with both), I believe in the right of anyone to say whatever they want (short of advocating violence, paedophilia etc), no matter to whom it causes offence
So you don't believe in verbal abuse? The right to discuss a point of view is already protected. Why do you need a right to call someone a derogatory term? My parents told me that displays a lack of education.
 
Old Nov 22nd 2014 | 7:37 pm
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So you don't believe in verbal abuse? The right to discuss a point of view is already protected. Why do you need a right to call someone a derogatory term? My parents told me that displays a lack of education.
I personally wouldn't (unless maybe someone started it with me) and agree that it shows a lack of education, but more than that, a poor upbringing

But if someone wants to verbally abuse someone without resorting to violence, then that's their issue - not the government's or the law's

True FOS means that people have the right to say something that others may find extremely offensive or objectionable. But there it it is
 
Old Nov 22nd 2014 | 7:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
I personally wouldn't (unless maybe someone started it with me) and agree that it shows a lack of education, but more than that, a poor upbringing

But if someone wants to verbally abuse someone without resorting to violence, then that's their issue - not the government's or the law's

True FOS means that people have the right to say something that others may find extremely offensive or objectionable. But there it it is
So pain/damage can only be physically inflicted? It's good that you have a thick skin but don't you think that this law is designed to protect the weaker in society? Also to protect those who continuously get verbally abused? If you are ok with anyone saying anything to anyone, you're ok with kids being verbally abused.
 
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So pain/damage can only be physically inflicted? It's good that you have a thick skin but don't you think that this law is designed to protect the weaker in society? Also to protect those who continuously get verbally abused? If you are ok with anyone saying anything to anyone, you're ok with kids being verbally abused.
Forgot to add children to my list of exceptions - now done
 
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As a conservative (and/or right-winger, I'm comfortable with both)
don't you mean posturer?
 
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Originally Posted by Grayling
don't you mean posturer?
Seriously? You want to go down this route again?
 
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Seriously? You want to go down this route again?
Would 'poseur' suit you better?

What route?....what are you going to do about it?
 
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Seriously? You want to go down this route again?
I've added him to the twat filter. Works a treat!
 
Old Nov 22nd 2014 | 8:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Grayling
Would 'poseur' suit you better?

What route?....what are you going to do about it?
You know what I mean

You'll be doing this one by yourself this evening

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Originally Posted by paulry
I've added him to the twat filter. Works a treat!
Doesn't work very well.....everyone can still see your bullshit
 
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
You know what I mean
No I don't.....please explain
 
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Forgot to add children to my list of exceptions - now done
Mentally disabled? The old and vulnerable? The wrongfully accused?

*just to point out, I wasn't calling you mentally disabled
 
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No I don't.....please explain
Post #25 explains all
 
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*just to point out, I wasn't calling you mentally disabled
And I wouldn't call you that either - despite some of the stuff you post!
 


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