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wil1985 Oct 11th 2007 8:37 am

240v ?
 
can u just cut the plugs off of engilsh tools and attatch the type of plug they use in oz? or will it not work. Im askin because iv got load of tools in 240 volt and i heard that its the same volt over in oz, so i need to know if i have to buy all new tools thank you :(

Timber Floor Au Oct 11th 2007 8:38 am

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by wil1985 (Post 5414802)
can u just cut the plugs off of engilsh tools and attatch the type of plug they use in oz? or will it not work. Im askin because iv got load of tools in 240 volt and i heard that its the same volt over in oz, so i need to know if i have to buy all new tools thank you :(

YES

steve`o Oct 11th 2007 8:38 am

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by wil1985 (Post 5414802)
can u just cut the plugs off of engilsh tools and attatch the type of plug they use in oz? or will it not work. Im askin because iv got load of tools in 240 volt and i heard that its the same volt over in oz, so i need to know if i have to buy all new tools thank you :(

exactly the same mate
240v at 50hz ;)

now lets sit back and wait for the you carnt do your own plug brigade :rofl:

Timber Floor Au Oct 11th 2007 8:41 am

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by steve`o (Post 5414814)
exactly the same mate
240v at 50hz ;)

now lets sit back and wait for the you carnt do your own plug brigade :rofl:

lololol

Aussie plugs are a bitch to fit hey !!

wil1985 Oct 11th 2007 8:46 am

Re: 240v ?
 
thanks so much you mad my day! my dads a sparky so ill let him do them then lol thanks again

wil1985 Oct 11th 2007 8:47 am

Re: 240v ?
 
they do def use 240 still building sites over there dont they?:ohmy:

Timber Floor Au Oct 11th 2007 8:57 am

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by wil1985 (Post 5414867)
they do def use 240 still building sites over there dont they?:ohmy:

110v is not used on sites here whatsoever.

However, on sites you must get all electrical equipment tagged.

Quite Ironic, that an inspector must tag and state your equipment is 100%, and then you plug it into socket in bathroom, and drape extension cord thru a puddle...

Makes me laugh

Wol Oct 11th 2007 12:11 pm

Re: 240v ?
 
The voltage is a nominal 240v, but mine rarely goes below 245v. Gawd: I've just looked at it and it was 271v for a second before dropping back to 251v. The minimum today apparently was 250v. These figures are the highest I've ever seen, but 245v plus is common.

It's no wonder the rate of failure of bulbs is so high.

arkon Oct 11th 2007 12:44 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Wol (Post 5415429)
The voltage is a nominal 240v, but mine rarely goes below 245v. Gawd: I've just looked at it and it was 271v for a second before dropping back to 251v. The minimum today apparently was 250v. These figures are the highest I've ever seen, but 245v plus is common.

It's no wonder the rate of failure of bulbs is so high.

Tell me about it, I rarely get it below 250, It regularly kills transformers for charging my mp3 player etc. If I leave anykind of trickle charge type device pluged in for any length of time, it doesn't take long to kill it. I'm on my 3rd set of mp3 Lion batteries in 3 years here.

Also for some reason my long life bulbs last nowhere near as long as they did back home.

Amazulu Oct 11th 2007 12:44 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Timber Floor Au (Post 5414833)
lololol

Aussie plugs are a bitch to fit hey !!

They are shite. I actually think they have a design flaw.

arkon Oct 11th 2007 12:48 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 5415478)
They are shite. I actually think they have a design flaw.

Have you tried fitting 2 power adaptors into a dual socket? You need a hammer to help. Then if you stand on a plug you bend the blinking pins. Oh and did I mention the switches on a power socket are too close to the plug, this has to be a design flaw as when theres a plug fitted if you have homer simpson fingers it's not easy to use the switch.

Amazulu Oct 11th 2007 12:49 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Wol (Post 5415429)
The voltage is a nominal 240v, but mine rarely goes below 245v. Gawd: I've just looked at it and it was 271v for a second before dropping back to 251v. The minimum today apparently was 250v. These figures are the highest I've ever seen, but 245v plus is common.

It's no wonder the rate of failure of bulbs is so high.

Wow, that's high. It might be a NSW thing as we get a rock solid constant 400/230V.

Amazulu Oct 11th 2007 12:54 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by arkon (Post 5415481)
Have you tried fitting 2 power adaptors into a dual socket? You need a hammer to help. Then if you stand on a plug you bend the blinking pins. Oh and did I mention the switches on a power socket are too close to the plug, this has to be a design flaw as when theres a plug fitted if you have homer simpson fingers it's not easy to use the switch.

I think it's an overly complicated setup. You get plug-tops where the cable comes in from the side or from the bottom. Try plugging one of each in a double socket outlet. Also the cable grip in an Aussie plug-top is shite and look at the front of the plug-top - the flex cores are almost exposed - it's a terrible design.

Wol Oct 11th 2007 1:23 pm

Re: 240v ?
 
I can't help feeling that Oz and NZ plugs aredesigned the way they are just to be different to anywhere else - the NIH syndrome. With the common use of RCCBs everywhere, certainly the UK fused plug is a bit overkill, but I did appreciate the robustness of them. I think the best compromise between manufacturing robustness, ease of use and especially being able to plug in all those transformers and chargers is the US system for all its faults.

We specified HPM "Como" fittings for our build: the switches are 2" square for us oldies and the sockets are self-switching, with a red LED when something's plugged in. That seems very strange, since we now have a houseful of little red lights all burning juice.

PaulandNic Oct 11th 2007 4:21 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by wil1985 (Post 5414862)
my dads a sparky so ill let him do them then lol thanks again

NOT till he's got his licence he won't!

Did you know that you HAVE to be a qualified / licenced electrician to change a plug in Australia??

(there, out of the way now)

Wol Oct 11th 2007 4:32 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 5415735)
NOT till he's got his licence he won't!

Did you know that you HAVE to be a qualified / licenced electrician to change a plug in Australia??

(there, out of the way now)

Rubbish.

steve`o Oct 11th 2007 4:36 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Wol (Post 5415749)
Rubbish.

incredible as it may seem he`s right
in qld you have to be a licensed sparkie to change a plug top

http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/electrica...ctricity/home/

PaulandNic Oct 11th 2007 4:42 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Wol (Post 5415749)
Rubbish.


Originally Posted by steve`o (Post 5415751)
incredible as it may seem he`s right
in qld you have to be a licensed sparkie to change a plug top

http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/electrica...ctricity/home/

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u...ys/whistle.gif

NickyC Oct 11th 2007 6:27 pm

Re: 240v ?
 
PaulandNic actually said 'you HAVE to be a qualified / licenced electrician to change a plug in Australia.'

That might be true in Queensland but Queensland is not Australia.

I think it's been proved that it's OK to change your own plugs in NSW, for example....

Timber Floor Au Oct 11th 2007 6:28 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by NickyC (Post 5415883)
PaulandNic actually said 'you HAVE to be a qualified / licenced electrician to change a plug in Australia.'

That might be true in Queensland but Queensland is not Australia.

I think it's been proved that it's OK to change your own plugs in NSW, for example....


TRUE !!! lol and Tasmania are still running on Candles, and NT on petrol and BlueGum branches :)

Wol Oct 11th 2007 6:39 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by steve`o (Post 5415751)
incredible as it may seem he`s right
in qld you have to be a licensed sparkie to change a plug top

http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/electrica...ctricity/home/

That says nothing about plugs, as far as I can see. It refers to fixed electrical items.

PaulandNic Oct 11th 2007 6:40 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by NickyC (Post 5415883)
That might be true in Queensland but Queensland is not Australia.

I think it's been proved that it's OK to change your own plugs in NSW, for example....

You know I was actually joking about this post ...


Originally Posted by steve`o (Post 5414814)
now lets sit back and wait for the you carnt do your own plug brigade :rofl:

Oh well!

Amazulu Oct 11th 2007 6:51 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by steve`o (Post 5415751)
incredible as it may seem he`s right
in qld you have to be a licensed sparkie to change a plug top

http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/electrica...ctricity/home/

If this is right, then this is one 'law' that really needs to be broken just for the hell of it.
Anyone who gets a sparky to change a plug-top is a tool and deserves to be ripped-off.

Wol Oct 11th 2007 7:18 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 5415896)
You know I was actually joking about this post ...



Oh well!

Dammit! I *knew* you were <g>

PaulandNic Oct 11th 2007 7:24 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Wol (Post 5415956)
Dammit! I *knew* you were <g>

I knew you knew I was.

steve`o Oct 11th 2007 8:26 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Wol (Post 5415895)
That says nothing about plugs, as far as I can see. It refers to fixed electrical items.

You may purchase but cannot install electrical accessories (e.g. junction boxes, light switches, plugs, power points, light fittings without a cord) or fixed wire electrical appliances (ceiling fans, some light fittings, stoves, ovens, split system air conditioning).


taken from link mentioned in this email

DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT AND INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

ABN 52 293 849 579

Workplace Health & Safety Queensland Infoline

Freecall: 1800 177 717 Phone: 07-32474711

Website: www.deir.qld.gov.au


Our Reference: 11648 RC



Date: 2 August 2007

Email Address: [email protected]

To: Mr steven xxxxxxxxxx

Dear Mr xxxxxxxxxxxx ,



Thank you for your email regarding changing plug tops on leads. This work may only be undertaken by an open electrical worker, or a restricted electrical worker who has the plug and cord endorsement on their restricted electrical licence.



Further information is available at:



http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/electrica...ctricity/home/




For further information, please contact Infoline on 1300 369 915, or 1800 177 717





Yours faithfully



Information Services Officer
WHSQ Infoline

Information Registration and Licensing

Workplace Health and Safety Queensland

Wol Oct 11th 2007 8:37 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by PaulandNic (Post 5415969)
I knew you knew I was.

But then I must have known that you knew that I knew th.............

Fancy a beer?

Wol Oct 11th 2007 8:53 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by steve`o (Post 5416128)
You may purchase but cannot install electrical accessories (e.g. junction boxes, light switches, plugs, power points, light fittings without a cord) or fixed wire electrical appliances (ceiling fans, some light fittings, stoves, ovens, split system air conditioning).


taken from link mentioned in this email

DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT AND INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS

ABN 52 293 849 579

Workplace Health & Safety Queensland Infoline

Freecall: 1800 177 717 Phone: 07-32474711

Website: www.deir.qld.gov.au


Our Reference: 11648 RC



Date: 2 August 2007

Email Address: [email protected]

To: Mr steven xxxxxxxxxx

Dear Mr xxxxxxxxxxxx ,



Thank you for your email regarding changing plug tops on leads. This work may only be undertaken by an open electrical worker, or a restricted electrical worker who has the plug and cord endorsement on their restricted electrical licence.



Further information is available at:



http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/electrica...ctricity/home/




For further information, please contact Infoline on 1300 369 915, or 1800 177 717





Yours faithfully



Information Services Officer
WHSQ Infoline

Information Registration and Licensing

Workplace Health and Safety Queensland

Now I know why I didn't go to QLD!

PaulandNic Oct 11th 2007 9:05 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Wol (Post 5416149)
But then I must have known that you knew that I knew th.............

Fancy a beer?

:D

Why not!

nicopa Oct 11th 2007 9:09 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Wol (Post 5415523)
I can't help feeling that Oz and NZ plugs aredesigned the way they are just to be different to anywhere else - the NIH syndrome. With the common use of RCCBs everywhere, certainly the UK fused plug is a bit overkill, but I did appreciate the robustness of them. I think the best compromise between manufacturing robustness, ease of use and especially being able to plug in all those transformers and chargers is the US system for all its faults.

We specified HPM "Como" fittings for our build: the switches are 2" square for us oldies and the sockets are self-switching, with a red LED when something's plugged in. That seems very strange, since we now have a houseful of little red lights all burning juice.

The UK plug is perhaps overengineered but it is amazingly robust and Singapore, Hong Kong, and - extraordinarily - Iraq will not change from the UK plug despite the yanks whining at them.

The_Pom_From_Aus Oct 12th 2007 9:48 am

Re: 240v ?
 
steve`

In victoria i think Joe Blogs can actually change plug tops, its strange to me, seeming most people are unable to do correct electrical work so with an appliance would you trust people to make tight connections, if not trained right im sure i would NOT.

arthur

Timber Floor Au Oct 12th 2007 10:01 am

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by The_Pom_From_Aus (Post 5418710)
steve`

In victoria i think Joe Blogs can actually change plug tops, its strange to me, seeming most people are unable to do correct electrical work so with an appliance would you trust people to make tight connections, if not trained right im sure i would NOT.

arthur


The plus side of this, is that all appliances in Oz, come pre plugged !!

Amazulu Oct 12th 2007 1:39 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Wol (Post 5416184)
Now I know why I didn't go to QLD!

A lot of Aussies think Qld is backward - and here's one of the reasons why!

BadgeIsBack Oct 12th 2007 2:15 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by arkon (Post 5415477)
Tell me about it, I rarely get it below 250, It regularly kills transformers for charging my mp3 player etc. If I leave anykind of trickle charge type device pluged in for any length of time, it doesn't take long to kill it. I'm on my 3rd set of mp3 Lion batteries in 3 years here.

Also for some reason my long life bulbs last nowhere near as long as they did back home.

I read somewhere that 240v is safer than 110v I believe. A function of physics. To do with current,amps and yup voltage.

Amazulu Oct 12th 2007 2:22 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 5419305)
I read somewhere that 240v is safer than 110v I believe. A function of physics. To do with current,amps and yup voltage.

Not really Badge. Domestic 110V is safer than 240V. The problem that they have in the US is that 110V is too puny for anything beefy. So for things like large Aircons, ovens, workshops etc they have a separate 240V supply.

BadgeIsBack Oct 12th 2007 2:53 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 5419316)
Not really Badge. Domestic 110V is safer than 240V. The problem that they have in the US is that 110V is too puny for anything beefy. So for things like large Aircons, ovens, workshops etc they have a separate 240V supply.

I read an argument the other way around which expressed it in terms of the old rule. But I can't for the life of me remember what it said. Something about current and amps having to be bigger to compensate for less PD.

I am quite happy to have someone explain it.

steve`o Oct 12th 2007 2:59 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 5419371)
I read an argument the other way around which expressed it in terms of the old rule. But I can't for the life of me remember what it said. Something about current and amps having to be bigger to compensate for less PD.

I am quite happy to have someone explain it.

v over i x r

if you half the voltage you double the ampage ;)

BadgeIsBack Oct 12th 2007 3:36 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by steve`o (Post 5419389)
v over i x r

if you half the voltage you double the ampage ;)

That's the one, not wanting to humiliate myself by getting the maths wrong. Now if this has any safety benefit I'd be interested to know.

Wol Oct 12th 2007 3:40 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 5419305)
I read somewhere that 240v is safer than 110v I believe. A function of physics. To do with current,amps and yup voltage.

Try grabbing a pair of each one day and let me know which is more pleasant <g>.

Amazulu Oct 12th 2007 4:15 pm

Re: 240v ?
 

Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack (Post 5419470)
That's the one, not wanting to humiliate myself by getting the maths wrong. Now if this has any safety benefit I'd be interested to know.

This explains it pretty well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electri...ity_of_a_shock

The table in 2.1 shows the effect of different voltages.
Higher voltages are going to burn you more. I've seen HV burns - they are f**king terrible.


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