The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
Mar 13th 2008, 6:50 am
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Re: The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
In Australia, you get paid a lump sum each time you, as you say it , PUSH A BABY OUT !
Mar 13th 2008, 6:54 am
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Mar 13th 2008, 8:19 am
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Mar 13th 2008, 9:01 am
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Re: The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
I think that money in Oz ($2000 isn't it?) is not a good idea. I heard people are spending it on widescreen TV's not the children.
SW3105 you have my sympathies, its a real pain when you work hard and struggle and see lazy people get everything handed to them on a plate.
SW3105 you have my sympathies, its a real pain when you work hard and struggle and see lazy people get everything handed to them on a plate.
Mar 13th 2008, 9:02 am
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Re: The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
At least they have a hobby or something to do ... the UK kids just sit on street corners, smoke fags and drink Stella!
I just read through this whole thread. I just want to make a leeetle point. I am British and have worked since I left school at 16, I've never been out of work until I had my baby last year at the tender old age of 26. I'd worked for 10 years and have just gone back to work part time. When I was 20, I was unemployed for about 6 months, I went to the Jobcentre and they said that I couldn't claim anything as I didn't have enough National Insurance contribution credits.
Yet my little sister can just push a baby out, wait 5 years, then have another and all the time be entitled to rent, council tax, cheaper bills (cries when she cant pay a bill and is allowed to pay them at £1 a week whilst I have to deal with a stupid bill at once or suffer bailiffs!) income support, child benefit etc. AND SMOKE AND DRINK ALCOHOL AND HAVE TAKE AWAY EVERY WEEKEND!!
My niece at one point had 17 pairs of shoes, all their clothes were name branded. My partner works full time, I work 27 hours a week over 3 days, our clothes are from Tesco, we don't smoke and he allows himself 1 case of beer every now and then and take away is a once a month luxury!
I live here and it makes me angry beyond belief!
I just read through this whole thread. I just want to make a leeetle point. I am British and have worked since I left school at 16, I've never been out of work until I had my baby last year at the tender old age of 26. I'd worked for 10 years and have just gone back to work part time. When I was 20, I was unemployed for about 6 months, I went to the Jobcentre and they said that I couldn't claim anything as I didn't have enough National Insurance contribution credits.
Yet my little sister can just push a baby out, wait 5 years, then have another and all the time be entitled to rent, council tax, cheaper bills (cries when she cant pay a bill and is allowed to pay them at £1 a week whilst I have to deal with a stupid bill at once or suffer bailiffs!) income support, child benefit etc. AND SMOKE AND DRINK ALCOHOL AND HAVE TAKE AWAY EVERY WEEKEND!!
My niece at one point had 17 pairs of shoes, all their clothes were name branded. My partner works full time, I work 27 hours a week over 3 days, our clothes are from Tesco, we don't smoke and he allows himself 1 case of beer every now and then and take away is a once a month luxury!
I live here and it makes me angry beyond belief!
Get her to emigrate, she will get also get $5000 for every kid she pops out, free childcare so she can sit at home, plus the benefits are much higher.
Mar 13th 2008, 9:47 am
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Re: The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
If it's hard work then why on earth is it crap money?
Because there are people who can be exploited.
I agree that people ought to not be on benefits if there are jobs to be had, but £7 per hour is not a livable wage to support a family. Or I suppose fruit and veg pickers ought not have families?
Because there are people who can be exploited.
I agree that people ought to not be on benefits if there are jobs to be had, but £7 per hour is not a livable wage to support a family. Or I suppose fruit and veg pickers ought not have families?
My second job was as a waiter - earning mot much more.
They were ****in hard jobs and I got payed crap wages - they WEREN'T ENOUGH TO SUPPORT A FAMILY......
Some jobs just aren't well payed (not every job can be payed at $100 an hour)....
What would you have me do - complain that the money wasn't good enough and go on the dole.....???!!!
Mar 13th 2008, 9:53 am
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Re: The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
At least they have a hobby or something to do ... the UK kids just sit on street corners, smoke fags and drink Stella!
I just read through this whole thread. I just want to make a leeetle point. I am British and have worked since I left school at 16, I've never been out of work until I had my baby last year at the tender old age of 26. I'd worked for 10 years and have just gone back to work part time. When I was 20, I was unemployed for about 6 months, I went to the Jobcentre and they said that I couldn't claim anything as I didn't have enough National Insurance contribution credits.
Yet my little sister can just push a baby out, wait 5 years, then have another and all the time be entitled to rent, council tax, cheaper bills (cries when she cant pay a bill and is allowed to pay them at £1 a week whilst I have to deal with a stupid bill at once or suffer bailiffs!) income support, child benefit etc. AND SMOKE AND DRINK ALCOHOL AND HAVE TAKE AWAY EVERY WEEKEND!!
My niece at one point had 17 pairs of shoes, all their clothes were name branded. My partner works full time, I work 27 hours a week over 3 days, our clothes are from Tesco, we don't smoke and he allows himself 1 case of beer every now and then and take away is a once a month luxury!
I live here and it makes me angry beyond belief!
I just read through this whole thread. I just want to make a leeetle point. I am British and have worked since I left school at 16, I've never been out of work until I had my baby last year at the tender old age of 26. I'd worked for 10 years and have just gone back to work part time. When I was 20, I was unemployed for about 6 months, I went to the Jobcentre and they said that I couldn't claim anything as I didn't have enough National Insurance contribution credits.
Yet my little sister can just push a baby out, wait 5 years, then have another and all the time be entitled to rent, council tax, cheaper bills (cries when she cant pay a bill and is allowed to pay them at £1 a week whilst I have to deal with a stupid bill at once or suffer bailiffs!) income support, child benefit etc. AND SMOKE AND DRINK ALCOHOL AND HAVE TAKE AWAY EVERY WEEKEND!!
My niece at one point had 17 pairs of shoes, all their clothes were name branded. My partner works full time, I work 27 hours a week over 3 days, our clothes are from Tesco, we don't smoke and he allows himself 1 case of beer every now and then and take away is a once a month luxury!
I live here and it makes me angry beyond belief!
I used to pay nearly 1000 pounds in tax each month (not that I hate paying tax, just hate it when its being used inappropriately).....I would walk up the high street at lunch and see the same fat chavs with their kids, scigarette in hand, can of stella nearby, swearing and causing a nuisance.......all the while I'm thinking....that fat bitch is drinking Stella and smoking cigarettes she bought with MY tax money...
Meanwhile, I was getting up at 5.30, driving an hour each way to work, slaving like a dog....
I don't have a problem with the welfare system being a last resort, and something for people to use temporarily whilst your out of work - I DO have a problem with it being a lifestyle....
WHY IS IT LIKE THAT IN THE UK - EVERYONE I KNOW COMPLAINS ABOUT IT, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THESE FAT DOLE BLUDGERS CAN WORK, BUT CHOOSE NOT TO.......
Arghghhhghhhhhhhh
Mar 13th 2008, 9:55 am
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Re: The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
I think that money in Oz ($2000 isn't it?) is not a good idea. I heard people are spending it on widescreen TV's not the children.
SW3105 you have my sympathies, its a real pain when you work hard and struggle and see lazy people get everything handed to them on a plate.
SW3105 you have my sympathies, its a real pain when you work hard and struggle and see lazy people get everything handed to them on a plate.
Mar 13th 2008, 10:04 am
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Re: The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
I absolutely do not have a problem with benefits being used as they really should be used, to help people in times of need. Obviously, I've had a baby with my partner, I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, he might walk out and leave us on our own, I'll need those benefits to help me by. But I can guarantee that my baby will be put into nursery when she is 3 years old so that I can work nursery hours.
When my sister got her maternity grant, I took the money off her, I marched her to Mothercare and spent all the money on things that her baby would need. She had all these grand plans, £100 on clothes, £50 on a nice dinner for the two of us, maybe some baby clothes ..
Me and OH were trying for our baby for over a year, in that time I'd bought everything that we needed (plus more) so by the time we eventually fell pregnant and our baby arrived, we had everything. Yes, some extra money would have been nice, and the year was devastating, but I see it as a blessing in disguise.
I 100% agree with a vouchers system for nappies and clothes. Here, if you are on benefits or considered to have a low income, you get fruit and veg vouchers which I think cannot be spent on anything tobacco or alcohol products. You also can get milk tokens to exchange for baby formula or cows milk until baby is 5. I believe the milk tokens are only for people on benefits as you get those in your giro book - it may have changed now. I didn't get anything like that ...
When my sister got her maternity grant, I took the money off her, I marched her to Mothercare and spent all the money on things that her baby would need. She had all these grand plans, £100 on clothes, £50 on a nice dinner for the two of us, maybe some baby clothes ..
Me and OH were trying for our baby for over a year, in that time I'd bought everything that we needed (plus more) so by the time we eventually fell pregnant and our baby arrived, we had everything. Yes, some extra money would have been nice, and the year was devastating, but I see it as a blessing in disguise.
I 100% agree with a vouchers system for nappies and clothes. Here, if you are on benefits or considered to have a low income, you get fruit and veg vouchers which I think cannot be spent on anything tobacco or alcohol products. You also can get milk tokens to exchange for baby formula or cows milk until baby is 5. I believe the milk tokens are only for people on benefits as you get those in your giro book - it may have changed now. I didn't get anything like that ...
Mar 13th 2008, 1:00 pm
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Re: The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
[QUOTE=AndyR1976;6059820]
I don't have a problem with the welfare system being a last resort, and something for people to use temporarily whilst your out of work - I DO have a problem with it being a lifestyle....
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But that is also a huge problem in many areas of australia, particuarly rural or coastal areas, try getting unskilled people for jobs like a labourer
Masses of jobs, masses on benefits, but they prefer the surfie lifestyle.
I don't have a problem with the welfare system being a last resort, and something for people to use temporarily whilst your out of work - I DO have a problem with it being a lifestyle....
(QUOTE]
But that is also a huge problem in many areas of australia, particuarly rural or coastal areas, try getting unskilled people for jobs like a labourer
Masses of jobs, masses on benefits, but they prefer the surfie lifestyle.
Mar 13th 2008, 2:18 pm
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Re: The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
[QUOTE=jad n rich;6060471]
I don't have a problem with the welfare system being a last resort, and something for people to use temporarily whilst your out of work - I DO have a problem with it being a lifestyle....
(QUOTE]
But that is also a huge problem in many areas of australia, particuarly rural or coastal areas, try getting unskilled people for jobs like a labourer Masses of jobs, masses on benefits, but they prefer the surfie lifestyle.
Well....if its surfing then thats OK..........
I am really talking about people who are simply wasting days away....
SURFING, is not wastig your day away - its time well spent...IMHO
I don't have a problem with the welfare system being a last resort, and something for people to use temporarily whilst your out of work - I DO have a problem with it being a lifestyle....
(QUOTE]
But that is also a huge problem in many areas of australia, particuarly rural or coastal areas, try getting unskilled people for jobs like a labourer
Masses of jobs, masses on benefits, but they prefer the surfie lifestyle.Well....if its surfing then thats OK..........
I am really talking about people who are simply wasting days away....
SURFING, is not wastig your day away - its time well spent...IMHO
Mar 13th 2008, 6:44 pm
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Re: The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
Precisely because an ageing population needs young workers to do the backbreaking stuff like pick fruit and be willing to accept poor wages in the bargain.
Mar 13th 2008, 6:52 pm
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Re: The £7-per-hour jobs locals don't want
I tried potato picking for a brief stint whilst on holidays way back in my youth. I've never forgotten it, possibly the worst 24 hours of work I've ever put in, in my life.
I reckon that BBC report could be sensationalism, because every fruit and vegie harvesting job Ive ever seen runs on piece rates, and to go at the max, which is what that 7 quid would be, would probably be for pickers that have years of experience under their belts... I bet 3 quid is more the norm.
Down at the lower end of the wage pool things get really tough, almost slave labour, if we want a society where people are forced to work. Then get the government to admit it, but to dress things up and tut tut at people that dont want to do jobs that we would all rather avoid is probably not the way to go.
I reckon that BBC report could be sensationalism, because every fruit and vegie harvesting job Ive ever seen runs on piece rates, and to go at the max, which is what that 7 quid would be, would probably be for pickers that have years of experience under their belts... I bet 3 quid is more the norm.
Down at the lower end of the wage pool things get really tough, almost slave labour, if we want a society where people are forced to work. Then get the government to admit it, but to dress things up and tut tut at people that dont want to do jobs that we would all rather avoid is probably not the way to go.
The welfare state is much abused unfortunately and I dont think Aus is any better in that regard. I have had (quite a few!) parents demanding that I write a letter of support for them to go from a 3 bedroom house to a 4 bedroom one because their kids were getting older and they were having another one. No income, just benefits and a car far newer than the jalopy I was driving at the time! There is work and someone just needs to find a cure for the work shy!
