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pgtips Nov 5th 2009 4:03 pm

Re: Public beatings
 

Originally Posted by Ikon (Post 8073583)
bamiskados, one thing you did say is that the Bajan authorities may know what they're doing and we, as foreigners, should keep our noses out of it.

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Bamiskados did not say that, I did. I think he was just using the quote for reference. If people do not like how the government are handling things they have the democratic right to vote them out at the next election.

bamiskados Nov 5th 2009 4:04 pm

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Are the bajan kids unruly ?
Are the bajan kids binge drinking ?
Are the bajan Kids experimenting with drugs ?
having under ade sex ?
having no respect for their elders ?
Do they have no respect for themselves ?
Killing each other senselessly ?

So maybe, just maybe, the bajan authorities know what they are doing and we should but our noses out of their business.


Ikon, again, look above, i was quoting the msg from pgtips, which i believe you commented on as well.

Ikon Nov 5th 2009 4:07 pm

Re: Public beatings
 
Oh sorry, it was hard to tell which words were whose!

I have indeed already replied @ pgtips earlier in the thread :-)

Ikon Nov 5th 2009 4:10 pm

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Originally Posted by pgtips (Post 8073606)
Bamiskados did not say that, I did. I think he was just using the quote for reference. If people do not like how the government are handling things they have the democratic right to vote them out at the next election.

They also have the right to discuss it, don't they? I'd say that was one of the cornerstones of democracy. How would you ever change your mind on something, or make an informed decision, without these discussions?

There may be people on the island who have no idea that corporal punishment exists in schools if perhaps they've moved here during retirement or don't have young kids, for instance. It may still be an important issue to them.

Granted, some of the conversation has taken a comical tone in this thread...... I hope that doesn't distract from the overall quality of the debate.

bamiskados Nov 5th 2009 4:18 pm

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Looks like I am in the line of fire here now, LOL :D:D

This whole topic comes with this territory, one can agree or disagree, it makes no difference.
Most of us are from Europe and halfway the last century it was normal there as well, and look where we are now. I don´t think any of of has the answer and the truth in my believe is that there is not one answer.
Every child is different, and what works for one will not work for another.
For some the sweet way works and the next one needs harder discipline, even in the same family.

Ikon Nov 5th 2009 4:38 pm

Re: Public beatings
 

Originally Posted by bamiskados (Post 8073641)
Looks like I am in the line of fire here now, LOL :D:D

This whole topic comes with this territory, one can agree or disagree, it makes no difference.
Most of us are from Europe and halfway the last century it was normal there as well, and look where we are now. I don´t think any of of has the answer and the truth in my believe is that there is not one answer.
Every child is different, and what works for one will not work for another.
For some the sweet way works and the next one needs harder discipline, even in the same family.

Absolutely.

And personally, I think it's better we avoid the wider debate of what parents should/shouldn't do to their children. The original poster was talking about 'public beatings', which I took to mean what happens in our kids' schools.

I wouldn't judge a parent who smacks their child, it's not my place - but I'd question why they would allow someone else to do it by choosing the schools that still practice corporal punishment.

P4TTY06 Nov 5th 2009 6:00 pm

Re: Public beatings
 

Originally Posted by Ikon (Post 8073681)

I wouldn't judge a parent who smacks their child, it's not my place - but I'd question why they would allow someone else to do it by choosing the schools that still practice corporal punishment.

My point exactly... Why should someone be beating my child...?and for all to see.. but apparently not allowing this means that my child may turn into a little devil...:rofl: Hilarious...!!!

Mitzyboy Nov 5th 2009 6:37 pm

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Originally Posted by P4TTY06 (Post 8073846)
My point exactly... Why should someone be beating my child...?and for all to see.. but apparently not allowing this means that my child may turn into a little devil...:rofl: Hilarious...!!!

I think the words were:

That child if not disciplined properley can quickly turn from your little angel to your unruly devil

Which in itself is correct :)

neal brown Nov 6th 2009 11:02 am

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To some of the people that dont agree let me give you a sample of what coporal punishment does at school.Unlike all or most of you i been to school in Barbados i finished school in 1989.At primary school i had a teacher name (SNIP)she would beat the children for not being able to answer a question correctly so as little ones every one was very scared,children goes to school to learn not to be terrified.At secondary school my english teacher was (SNIP) he is now (SNIP) ,he comes into the class room with his eyes red like fire and ready to beat even if you ask to go to the bathroom,very bad attitude and a great lack of communication.My geography teacher was very kind and he makes sure you understand he always takes his time and explain he is always in a good moode and has never hit a student.If anyone disturbe the class he would make them stand at the door.The teachers that was agressive was constantly being rebel against the kids never do well in their classes children stayed at home or pretend to be sick ,they refuse to take lashes,the teachers that was nice and does not beat the children had more respect,the class is always full the home work is always completed,the student is much happier they run to the teachers and help them with they bags oh what a different atmosphere.

Lindi2 Nov 6th 2009 11:14 am

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Neal

I am really sorry that you had to go through such experiences at school. It makes me really angry just reading your story and it re affirms my belief that corporal punishment at school is WRONG!

_Tropical_11th Nov 11th 2009 2:41 am

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Originally Posted by neal brown (Post 8027606)
I was shock to see that there are public beatings of children in Barbados schools,lots of people was outrage while most seems to agree,i think this is crazy and should be stop.

Its going to be tough. Since they removed it as official government policy the schools in Barbados have been on a slide. Females are beginning to overtake boys in education since many of the males are more concerned about showing off.
The government then announced new tough measures, no more altering the school uniforms to create short skirts. No more outrageous hair styles, etc. but those have had limited results. Kids are still acting unruly and doing things like tearing up the seats on the public buses and stuff. So the more traditionals in society are saying to bring back the licks in school to restore order. Back then if you were running late, you ran to school to get there before you arrived late and got licks.. But now some children are showing up 9 or 10 O'clock and think it is a joke.

pgtips Nov 11th 2009 6:31 am

Re: Public beatings
 

Originally Posted by _Tropical_11th (Post 8089022)
Its going to be tough. Since they removed it as official government policy the schools in Barbados have been on a slide. Females are beginning to overtake boys in education since many of the males are more concerned about showing off.
The government then announced new tough measures, no more altering the school uniforms to create short skirts. No more outrageous hair styles, etc. but those have had limited results. Kids are still acting unruly and doing things like tearing up the seats on the public buses and stuff. So the more traditionals in society are saying to bring back the licks in school to restore order. Back then if you were running late, you ran to school to get there before you arrived late and got licks.. But now some children are showing up 9 or 10 O'clock and think it is a joke.

My point exactly, spare the rod, spoil the child. I grew up in an era of corporal punishment and my classes were always full, and nobody turned up late. There was respect then for teachers, and children had respect for themselves and were generally happy. The liberals here who are bawling to abolish licks for unruely children are creating a dangerous unruley generation, without even knowing it.

_Tropical_11th Nov 12th 2009 3:05 pm

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Originally Posted by pgtips (Post 8089356)
My point exactly, spare the rod, spoil the child. I grew up in an era of corporal punishment and my classes were always full, and nobody turned up late. There was respect then for teachers, and children had respect for themselves and were generally happy. The liberals here who are bawling to abolish licks for unruely children are creating a dangerous unruley generation, without even knowing it.

I mean I'll admit it has become a divisive debate in Barbados... Some standby bringing it back and some (esp. those who may have met a bit more abusive situation), don't want this revisited on their children. I think what is eventually going to happen is you end up with two types of either public and private schools in Barbados. Ones where the parents support 'licks' for mis-behaving children, and some schools where it is forbidden. I think things are heading in that direction. I've debated both sides of the debate, as my views have changed overtime.


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