Originally Posted by ABCDiamond

I think you may not have read the other posts fully, (or we understand things differently) but it's not the posting about feelings etc that gives a problem, it's the putting down of people who do like Australia that I have commented on today.

Why would someone be scared to honestly post that they are torn good and bad about both as long as they don't add comments that indicate that anyone who likes Australia is wearing rose tinted glasses, and therefore can't know the truth as much as someone who has gone back to the UK ?

Our experiences are all different, However, glittababe and I both live(d) in the same area, Victoria Point, although in very different parts it would seem. We have both been to the same hospital, and had different experiences. My view, after 14 years in Australia, is that you get varied service in hospitals the world over, glittababe's view, after 3-4 months in the country is that - the OZ system is shite! A very true and knowledgeable view of the whole Australian Health service ?

Individual posts about individual experiences are perfectly OK, welcomed and and NEEDED, but posts like that give a distorted view.

It's like me saying that I had a car stolen in the UK, but never in Australia. Therefore Car theft in the UK is rife, and you should come and live in Australia to get away from it.

I had my business in the UK broken into, UK is a terrible place for crime.

My area in the UK needed street cleaners to come round every day, so the UK is full of litter louts. Here they don't need to come round as often.

How do those comments sound ? It's the same generalisation that you have just defended, but for a different country, one that you have publicly stated that you prefer to Australia yourself.

Again I will say (Those bits were put in to provide comparison ... it is not how I think of it, even though they are serious examples)

Originally Posted by carolinegorka

Extreme reply as per, but wasn't that what was suggested?

Originally Posted by tonyk38

I don't really mind Wombat's posts myself. He's never been nasty to me.

Actually this is practically a carbon copy of a post of mine and a reply by him from several weeks ago on exactly the same subject. I hope to get back to South Africa someday and see the bits I missed first time around.

Anyhoo, it's a moot point about going to live there, because I wouldn't for the reasons I mentioned, and which Wombat rather er....exagerrated!

Originally Posted by jad n rich

You carry on being the guardian of utopia as someone called you and I'll stick up for the underdog. Thank you.

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond

Where is Utopia ? and who is the underdog ?
You wouldn't be one of those that is sarcastic in calling Australia Utopia would you ? Very few people, other than those that are verbally anti-australia actually refer to the country as a perfect place, and those that do are doing it in a sarcastic idiotic way.

Also why would you say I am the guardian of Utopia ? It can't be Australia as I often comment that there are areas of Australia that I don't like, I just don't lump them all together. I like to try to help people see the real picture.
So WHAT exactly are you saying ?

Originally Posted by jad n rich

They sound quite amusing really because they are the exact type of comments made about the UK all the time on here. And I dont think Ive seen you jump in and take task with those people tho.

Originally Posted by jad n rich

Back to what I was saying glittababe doesnt have a team shes just straight up about both places.

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond

Why should I ? Those comments do not impact on me in the same way as being accused of me wearing rose tinted glasses after 14 years in this country. However, if other people are still saying them maybe there is truth it in it after all, but it isn't a subject I will discuss as I left the UK some years ago, and no longer know how it is there these days. My main knowledge is now certain areas of Australia. Also I am more concerned with things here in Australia

You say those "exact type of comments" are made "all the time", show me some recent ones, as I don't seem to recall seeing them. Maybe they are in threads I don't read.

So when she says that the OZ health care system is shite, she is being straight up, and when I say it is OK I am wearing "rose tints". And when someone else says that she can't know in such a shorty time, they get accused of slating them.

"I assume that no one is allowed to say positive things about Australia then for fear of being accused of wearing "rose Tints" ? It all seems a tad one way to me.

Originally Posted by jad n rich

You were called the Guardian of Utopia, not by ME,

Originally Posted by jad n rich

You make me laugh you always get up my posts then get all hetty if I respond so why start it if you dont want a response?

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond

Now this is getting funny

You did say "You carry on being the guardian of utopia as someone called you"

Now, I recall a post where you were called a fool, so in your words........

"You carry on being a fool as someone called you" and remember yoir quote above, reworded as: "You were called a fool, not by ME, "


Who said I don't want a response ? I'm enjoying this today
I always get up your posts ?? You must admit that isn't true. I've happily answered some of your posts where you requested help or advise. So what gives ? Think about it.

Originally Posted by jad n rich

Glittababes posts have had a rare honesty, shes admitted being torn at times, something on here you dont read that often, but I think many feel.

Ive never found her that biased to either country overall when you read a lot of her posts, you could equally hilight where she praised aussie beaches or swimmng pools or said her kids have loved it, shes done a wonderful job in posting honestly and been very human in her emotions, I actually think its a pity more people dont post that honestly and openly, because when you meet poms here its often how they feel - torn good and bad about both and neither place will ever be the best but you can see why people dont post that on here :scared:

I cant nominate any country as 'the best' at different times of my life many countries have or will suit, and each member of my family may add to that complex issue by requiring different things at different times. Australia UK Canada USA etc all offer a good standard of life compared to how most of the world live.

Originally Posted by Nice Guy

Gentlemen please……………….

All countries have their good and not so good points, all countries have their little idiosyncrasies and that is what makes that country rich in terms of culture and nuances.

There is nothing to be gained by verbal aggression about one person’s view compared to another.

There is a quote of one man’s meat is another man’s poison, surely the objective of this thread is to have open and honest debate and exchange views and opinions in a friendly and constructive manner?

At this harmonious and festive time let us all share that debate.

I thankyou.

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond

I think you will find most people here will probably say "Australia", if only due to the fact that most people on this forum are either in Australia, or wanting to be in Australia. There will of course be a number who prefer the country they came from, ie: mainly Britain, again due to the forum being for "British" Expats

The problem is that everyone has different values, opinions and requirements, and no one location can possibly suit everyone.