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DeadVim Apr 17th 2010 11:34 pm

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 8504575)
My timesheet says I've done 52 hours this week - the reality is more like 65 - just finished a 10hr Sunday - no day off this week.

I very much agree with sonlymewalter's comment about working harder not smarter. Mostly as a result of that I seem to end up doing more weekend work here though, rather than finding weekends protected.

That's just my personal experience - others will of course differ.

I had to get a client site up and running this weekend and I resented every minute of the 30 I put in ... granted, I am not on top dollar but there are some things money just can compensate for ... I made a cracking Lego tower today ...

To take an example of how my working life is led ... I can see the boss expecting me to 'take over' from someone at work who is expected to sacrifice her weekends ... she is on 2 weeks leave and this is just the start of the shite (I am Johnny On The Spot by default) ... so, my plan is to establish, in no uncertain terms, that I will not be going down that road.

Management is such that 'exceptional' extra working could be the norm, the usual combination of incompetence and stupidity.

The negotiations will be interesting and it is 50/50 if I will be in the same employment in 2 weeks but at least I may see some of my daughter's development.

It is, when all said and done, only a job.

DeadVim Apr 17th 2010 11:38 pm

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by coolshadows (Post 8504720)
I couldn't ask about it directly at work - I'd probably be looking for another job by the evening! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

They are a good company to work for, but don't like 'slackers' (i.e. people who don't do long hours 'looking' like they do a lot of work).

Slackers bad, especially in a small company (such as mine) ... we have just recruited a new bod who is Mr Slacker personified ... he's only a week in and the vibes ain't good ... it took me at least 3 months before I stopped trying to impress, he ain't even started yet :D

ABCDiamond Apr 17th 2010 11:41 pm

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by quoll (Post 8504438)
Mercer seems to rank them differently though - and says that public holidays "may" be counted towards annual leave - it doesnt say that they ARE. http://www.mercer.com/summary.htm?idContent=1360620

That report states:

United Kingdom: effective from 1 April 2009, a worker is entitled to 28 days of annual leave each year (up from 24 previously). Public holidays (of which there are eight days in the UK) may count towards the employee’s annual leave entitlement.
Yet they then say 28 days + 8 Public Holiday = 36 days


For Australia they say:

Australia: the law provides for four weeks of paid annual leave
there are usually at least two additional public holidays proclaimed in each state/territory each year, which must also be observed. Some are applicable to certain industries, such as banking, or only apply to certain regions.
Yet they quote 20 + 8 Public Holiday = 28 days

These are the 8 Public Holidays this year...
  1. Fri 1st Jan 2010 New Year's Day
  2. Tue 26th Jan 2010 Australia Day
  3. Fri 2nd Apr 2010 Good Friday
  4. Sat 3rd Apr 2010 Easter Saturday ???
  5. Mon 5th Apr 2010 Easter Monday
  6. Anzac Day Monday, 26 April 2010
  7. Labour Day Monday, 3 May 2010
  8. Queen's Birthday Monday, 14 June 2010
  9. Royal Queensland Show Wednesday, 11 August 2010
  10. Christmas Day Tuesday, 28 December 2010
  11. Boxing Day Monday, 27 December 2010

Plus of course there is the long service leave. 3 Months after 10 years.

How many normal British workers get more then the Australian 20 days + 10 public holidays (ex Easter Saturday) ie: 30 days per year, plus 3 months after 10 years.

sonlymewalter Apr 17th 2010 11:44 pm

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 8504734)
Slackers bad, especially in a small company (such as mine) ... we have just recruited a new bod who is Mr Slacker personified ... he's only a week in and the vibes ain't good ... it took me at least 3 months before I stopped trying to impress, he ain't even started yet :D

He won't need to if he's mr popularity mate:thumbup:

MDawson Apr 17th 2010 11:47 pm

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by fish.01 (Post 8504453)
I think both Australia mandates 20 days holidays minimum. Pub hols about 11 days.

UK mandates 28 days minimum but only country in Europe where those holidays can include the 8 public holidays - so depends on employer.

I believe the question wasn't whether the UK was better than Australia (which I believe it is sometimes), rather whether Australia was the 2nd worst in the industrialised world.

I'm just saying that Australia isn't the relaxed laid back place that many prospective migrants think it is, they do have to work long long hours in Australia (in general I mean) I'm sure there are some that don't but in the main they have to put more hours in than most industrailised nations.

coolshadows Apr 17th 2010 11:50 pm

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 8504738)
That report states:

Yet they then say 28 days + 8 Public Holiday = 36 days


For Australia they say:

Yet they quote 20 + 8 Public Holiday = 28 days

These are the 8 Public Holidays this year...
  1. Fri 1st Jan 2010 New Year's Day
  2. Tue 26th Jan 2010 Australia Day
  3. Fri 2nd Apr 2010 Good Friday
  4. Sat 3rd Apr 2010 Easter Saturday ???
  5. Mon 5th Apr 2010 Easter Monday
  6. Anzac Day Monday, 26 April 2010
  7. Labour Day Monday, 3 May 2010
  8. Queen's Birthday Monday, 14 June 2010
  9. Royal Queensland Show Wednesday, 11 August 2010
  10. Christmas Day Tuesday, 28 December 2010
  11. Boxing Day Monday, 27 December 2010

Plus of course there is the long service leave. 3 Months after 10 years.

How many normal British workers get more then the Australian 20 days + 10 public holidays (ex Easter Saturday) ie: 30 days per year, plus 3 months after 10 years.

All I can say is that is was the norm to get 25 days + bank holidays where I worked in the UK. You then got an extra 2 after 10 years (plus shares, and a gold watch after 25yrs :rofl:). You could also take up to 6 month maternity / 2 weeks paternity - fully paid. (I think they even extended the 6 month to 12 months, but only 1/2 pay after 6).

When I worked for the council (before that), it was 25 + bank holidays, + an extra 2 after 2 years.

Bonus in Australia though, is I get to drink at work Mon-Fri!! - that seems pretty common here (would have been fired in the UK for that!) :rofl::rofl::rofl:

sonlymewalter Apr 17th 2010 11:50 pm

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 8504738)
.......How many normal British workers get more then the Australian 20 days + 10 public holidays (ex Easter Saturday) ie: 30 days per year, plus 3 months after 10 years.

Problem is when someone takes long term service leave generally they are not replaced when they're off so everyone else works harder to cover, so it's a bloody pain in the arse for everyone else tbh:thumbdown:

As a matter of interest I wonder what the % of Aussie workforce end up working at the same place for over 10 years, excluding the public sector of course?:confused:

MDawson Apr 18th 2010 12:03 am

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by coolshadows (Post 8504707)
Maybe it's just IT jobs in Adelaide that are sh!te with regards to hours and holidays. :(

[at least it's still sunny when I get home most of the year :)]

OK it's 9.00pm in the summer time just enough time for hard working Australians to have dinner then a couple of beers ....the sun down (in the summer):):rofl:

sonlymewalter Apr 18th 2010 12:08 am

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by MDawson (Post 8504771)
OK it's 9.00pm in the summer time just enough time for hard working Australians to have dinner then a couple of beers ....the sun down (in the summer):):rofl:

Ahhh but despite the work conditions, many of us wouldn't trade our life over here for the world mate:thumbsup:

MDawson Apr 18th 2010 12:14 am

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 8504780)
Ahhh but despite the work conditions, many of us wouldn't trade our life over here for the world mate:thumbsup:

I think I would , the world sounds very interesting to me...:)

sonlymewalter Apr 18th 2010 12:17 am

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by MDawson (Post 8504789)
I think I would , the world sounds very interesting to me...:)

So is Aus if you love it:thumbup:

MDawson Apr 18th 2010 12:18 am

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by sonlymewalter (Post 8504790)
So is Aus if you love it:thumbup:


I suppose I didn't love it ....no offence my friend :)

sonlymewalter Apr 18th 2010 12:22 am

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by MDawson (Post 8504794)
I suppose I didn't love it ....no offence my friend :)

No offence taken, Aus isn't for everyone mate:)

coolshadows Apr 18th 2010 12:25 am

Re: Working hours in Australia
 
Yeah I think we all love WORKing here. :rofl:

I think anyone who moves here and ends up working less hours with more holidays - WELL DONE!!! :thumbsup:

For the rest of us, we'll cover for you. :rofl::rofl:

bcworld Apr 18th 2010 12:29 am

Re: Working hours in Australia
 

Originally Posted by coolshadows (Post 8504801)
Yeah I think we all love WORKing here. :rofl:

I think anyone who moves here and ends up working less hours with more holidays - WELL DONE!!! :thumbsup:

For the rest of us, we'll cover for you. :rofl::rofl:

I had a flexible benefits package in the UK...we could take maximum 7 weeks leave + public holidays.


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