Re: Why emigrate?
 

Well lets just say hopefully we will find out whether its my outlook, not the geography that needs changing. We can always come back if we don't like it!

Lets face it though, where are all the Australians that want to migrate and live in the UK????

If you read the OZ news, most aussies can't believe how much we pay for items ... ie. petrol, and think our train service is comparable to a third world country! Lets just take the awful news about Holly and Jessica being killed last year.. it was in the OZ news for several weeks. It wouldn't have been if it was an everyday event in OZ.

Yes, we all moan about it constantly, but its the people who are emigrating and part of this forum that have the guts and determination to try and do something about it!
You say mortgages are the same in OZ... most of us have worked out by now that we will be able to buy a house outright!

I think Britain is a beautiful country with heaps of history and I will miss seeing the wonderful castles and the countryside. Our children will be brought up to be proud of being British, but also know that we have tried to make a better life for them in OZ.

If you think its so wonderful here, why dont you stay! :D

You should thank Australia for one thing - educating your children!, if you live in the S.E that is.
The longest and most popular reason for them coming over here is to earn money fast and take it back with them. There are so many Aussies and Kiwis working in London schools that the education system would collapse without them.
They have the right idea though, London is for earning high and leaving quick. They tend to stay around 2 years and save as much as poss, enough for a nice deposit on a flat back home. I don't think many of them are keen to stay here permanently, unless they marry a Brit that is.

Oh how I laugh. Sunshine sunshine sunshine. Dream dream dream.....
Give me a hot meal on a cold day and an evening of English TV after a satisfying day at work any day over a boring evening of drinking crap beer and eating charcoal flavoured meat, being bitten by mossies and attacked by a myriad of giant insects whilst nursing ever growing feelings of resentment after having been exploited by a good old Aussie employer for yet another 12 hours that day!
Just an alternative point of view.

Re: Why emigrate?
 

i totaly agree with everything you have to say wolfens wife.

from the research ive done and this includes visiting oz and browsing 100`s of sites i can honestly say that for ME its the place to live.
i`m a welder and i look through job pages here and can i see any welding jobs around where i live? NO. i would have to go to holland or belgium (which i dont want to do). yet i search the ozzie job sites for Perth and dozens turn up.
i hear people saying that the wages arn`t as good in oz. well the wages ive seen been offered to welders in perth match my wage or beat it.
ive read tax is high in oz, well its just as high here.
i could go on and repeat all the reasons everyone has been putting on this forum about why we want to leave the u.k and resettle in oz, but i tell you the way things are right now in this country, the amount of people wanting to emmergrate(not nessessary oz) is only going to rise and rise.

Re: Why emigrate?
 

One quarter of professional Australians, or 1 million of them, aged between 25 and 40 are in Europe, mostly the UK. Every year approximately the same number of Australians emigrate to the UK as came the other way. The numbers are restricted by visa allocations so who knows how many there could be wanting to make the move. Since I arrived in Sydney 2 years ago 5 people from my team of 30 have moved to the UK. In the last 4 years I'm the only one from a similar sized team in London to make the move the other way. Almost everyone I speak to here wants to go to the UK to earn some money and to experience what it has to offer. I also come from Bristol so I know why you ask this question since not too many immigrants head to the south west, but let me assure you, London is absolutely chocka block with Australians, some of whom are good friends of mine and they love it there. One of my Australian colleagues here in Sydney came back to Sydney a year ago after 5 years living in London because they had a child and wanted to bring it up here. He told me at the weekend that they want to move back to the UK and think they made the mistake of their lives returning to a "dead end country". His words, not mine.
Your perceptions are so far from the truth they are laughable!

Re: Why emigrate?
 

If you are 6 pounds ($16) an hour which is about all you will get in Perth if you are lucky, you must be a poor wielder .
I am in engineering and and have seen the wages and the way people are treated , most wielding jobs require you to be a boilermaker its all heavy work and rough as shite.
The employers here are ratbags you will love working in sheds that heat up to 50c in the summer and go down to 5c in the winter first thing in the morning , they sack and take on by the week.
Keep your head down all day and speed up these boys want blood , and stopages are about 20% higher , get used to being treated like dirt, engineering workers here are the lowest of the low.
You can work in away which pays better but thats means a long time away from your family and working outside in 40c plus 12 hours a day in crap hole places .
Good Luck to you.





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Just a small point is this Australia you talking about? may I ask what culture and traditions, the lets gets a carton and piss it up in the backyard I think anyone will fit into that.
The locals in Perth stick together as do the Poms which seem to be out numbering those born here , if 100,000s of Aussies came to the UK and took your jobs how do think the locals there would feel?



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Re: Why emigrate?
 

well i like to call myself a welder not a wielder.
but the jobs i`m looking at pay $20 $25 an hour. no im not a poor welder as you put it but a coded welder. and do you think that i work in a clean office?? all welding workshops are rough as shit, and i`m sure not all companies will treat me like dirt. thanks for trying to put me off but i cant see why things have to be so black and white with you. do you think that british companies are any different? and as i`m going by myself being away from my family wont be a problem.

Back on the turps again PB? Join AA. Learn to speak helpfully and not with malice.

Re: Why emigrate?
 

Thanks will try your Lamb sounds yummie !!!!!!!!!!1

Re: Why emigrate?
 

You make blandness sound great Helena , Perth mainly attracts people who come to see their familys here it could be a top tourest spot but a week in Perth is long time to fill.
Holidays are spent in Asian or the gold coast for those who can afford it , people want devlopement and entertainment.
Look at the sad sods who did not what Hillarys Boat Harbour built , go up there any day of the week and its packed with people enjoying what it has to offer , this could be repeated in more areas .
I cannot understand all the bull going ion about the Mullaloo tavern being improved , its a backward state with not in my back yard people.
The BBQ thing forget it everything tastes the same , sorry its not my kind of food it was alright for cave men .



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Re: Why emigrate?
 

Well good luck to you could get $25 on contract no holiday pay , sick pay etc but not in Perth , everybody here is a coded welder they turn them out every 6 weeks.
Companies here hire for each contract and carry very few people , look I've seen work shops in the UK and these here are a lot worse.
You will be treated like dirt if you cannot come up to whats required with in a week they will blow you out.
I am not trying to put you off but engineering is a bad trade in Perth , I know loads of good toolmakers who now are bus driving because of the poor jobs here.






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Re: Why emigrate?
 

We live in a globalised world or should I say a westernised world? Skilled people as well as goods travel. Travel is good for workers. Travelled workers are good for nations.

Australians have been just as much a part of this rising trend as any other nationality.

The one certainty is that lots of people will always become "brassed off" where ever they are. In the 1970's I used to love Sydney - it was a big cleanish country town with lots of money sloshing around. Familiarity brought contempt and I moved out. Now I dislike going there - my excuse is that its too dirty and greedy. Use whatever rationalization is convenient. Moving around while you have the energy is fun for many people.

Re: Why emigrate?
 

Blandness? So if someone wants to enjoy natural, non man-made pursuits, it's blandness? Funny how you insist on putting a negative spin, even an insult, on everything that's different to what you want or like. If we don't all like what you do, then there's something wrong with us. Very immature attitude.

They might vacation there for something different but they don't want to live amongst it. Big difference. Living in a tourist spot is not great. Everything is expensive, things are crowded and it gets spoiled and overdeveloped. It would be a huge mistake to turn everything into the Gold Coast. Tourists who come to WA are not looking for the Gold Coast.

I agree with you there. Hillarys is a good thing, and it would be better to have a couple more similar things up and down the coast. Except you can't stick something like that into an area already developed with residences, so you have to find a place that's undeveloped. I believe they're thinking of doing that up in Two Rocks (?), not sure which suburb, but somewhere way up north. Cottesloe is a mini version which could do with a few more cafes and shops but it's too late, with all the houses already there. You'd have to displace people & put noisy, busy places right next door to some. Most would balk at that. Burns Beach might be another option. There are those who don't want any development at all. Often they're that way because they've been burned before by councils mismanaging such issues. Or they choose to live in a place that's quiet and have a problem with it being changed to the opposite. Of course, you'd call them "bland" or some other negative term because they don't want to live in the middle of the Gold Coast.
Because they're trying to do something after people are already living there. You get the same resistance anywhere. A neighbourhood pub in Vancouver wanted to expand a bit, created a holy war in the area, with people threatening to burn it down. It's different if the place is already there.
All tastes the same? You're obviously not a good cook. Perhaps you overcook everything? Or maybe something's wrong with your tastebuds? My lamb doesn't taste anything like the tuna I make. There'd have to be something very wrong if it did.

Re: Why emigrate?
 

The tavern has been there longer than some of the people have , its down at heel and the plans will improve the area and blend in .
The locals have your average Perth mentality NIMBYs ,any new devolement would be better than the present building, looking at the the way the new suburbs are being built they are souless without meeting places , yet any atempt to put some life into theses areas is met with protest.
I am sure your lamb and tuna is great and I am a very poor cook , thats why we eat out most nights, BBQs are just not for us sorry.





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I'm confused.

If Australia is as shit as certain people on this forum make out, where are all the other expats? Surely they should be on this forum day and night whingeing about the hell-hole theyv'e moved to? Ah, maybe they're out there making a go of it and looking at the positive aspects of their new country. Alternatively, they could be so hard up, what with all the crap wages and high tax, that they can't afford a PC.

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Australia is far from a hell hole neither is it the land of plenty ,its a very average country at the arse end of nowhere.
The best description that I have come acroos from anyone here is it a mediocre country ie second rate .
It suits people who lack ambition its a great place to vegetate , set your hopes low and Australia is all you could want , the only heros here play with a bat and ball , the rest dig holes and abuse sheep.
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Pb, what time is it in Aus now? Have you been on the amber nectar? Blimey, what a downwer you have. Hope all ends well when you return to the UK. I'm sure that for every crap thing you highlight about Aus, someone, not me, could highlight a crap thing about the UK. I'm sure will settle back into our way of life well....but what ever you do, keep up the posts. Love them all. Well done.
lms

Its 9am I am hard at work , look I find it very funny when people whinge about the UK having lived in both the problems in Australia are not far removed from those in the UK.
Some of the posters here lack the cutting humour we Brits used to have , less whinging more banter the worlds a fun place where ever you live, you are a long time dead waiting for a dream is bull.


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Very funny PB - I like the 'cutting humour we Brits used to have , less whinging more banter the worlds a fun place where ever you live,' comment. Now tell me - of your 1000+ posts why do most contain yet another winge from about Aus? Most contain 0% humour - perhaps you have been away from the UK too long..

MM

You may be right Mad One , its the way you read them is a whinge a dark sense of humour ?


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The best dark humour is also self deprecating - then every one can laugh.

Theres no flies on you son , be honest do you find no sillyness on any of the posts on this forum including mine as an Australian looking in it must amuse you at the total bull that is written here not excluding mine?


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This is a part of the transcript from BlackAdder Series 4 (set in the WW1 trenches). Just after a big 'push' by the Brit Army.


General Melchett : Course I am. Now let's talk about something more jolly, shall we? Look, this is the amount of land we've recaptured since yesterday.

[Melchett and George move over to the map table.]

Lt. George : Oh, excellent.
General Melchett : Erm, what is the actual scale of this map,
Darling?
Captain Darling : Erm, one-to-one, Sir.
General Melchett : Come again?
Captain Darling : Er, the map is actually life-size, Sir. It's
superbly detailed. Look, look, there's a little
worm.
General Melchett : Oh, yes. So the actual amount of land retaken
is?

[Darling whips out a tape measure amd measures the table.]

Captain Darling : Excuse me, Sir. Seventeen square feet, Sir.
General Melchett : Excellent. So you see, young Blackadder didn't
die horribly in vain after all.

PB - this what I call black humour. It takes about death but makes it sound funny. Your cut-and-paste from WA local rags of 'Local teenager knifed to death by gang' type stories doesn't sound humourous - well certainly not to me anyway.

MM

Good point I will stick to more imformative cut and pastes this do?
Does have hint of humour Aussies asking for European working benefits , no chance.


FOUR out of five Australian workers would like to see a European-style cap on working hours to help prevent overwork and stress ruining their family lives.

A survey of more than 8250 workers by the ACTU found 82 per cent also wanted more family-friendly provisions in workplace laws, and nearly as many reported understaffing and work overload in their job.

About one-third of those surveyed worked more than 40 hours a week, and 55 per cent said work was having an increased effect on their personal lives.

Key findings of the survey included:


79 per cent said there should be a limit on the number of hours worked in a week.


66 per cent supported paid maternity leave.


66 cent were concerned about their job security and employee entitlements.


54 per cent worked weekly overtime but only 29 per cent were paid overtime.





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The European Working Time Directive is meaningless as just about all jobs (certainly the ones I've done recently) present you with an "opt out" form which you are expected to sign.

if you want the job, that is.......

Dan

You will get a nice offer here too its called a work place agreement , you agree to abandon what rights you have in return for a lesser wage it works on how hungry are you.

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I just see people trying to make it from cradle to grave with something in between.

Sillyness of course. Bull of course. Interesting to see what that something is for various individuals. I need something too. I'm not outside just on the side.

Sorry about all that bull about Wingeing Poms - I actually do not believe it with any conviction. I was simply setting up a point that to recognise a problem is good, to do something useful, hopefully profitable, about it is much better than wingeing about it.

Not worries Pal I do not mind being called a whinging Pom to complain is to reason , those who accept everything never do anything .
Love to do something profitable if it interested me , my father was a business man the stress he had proved to me than working for some one else is a easier life if not as rewarding cash wise.
I do gee a few on here mainley because they are in a dream mode , Australia has things to offer as does the UK.
I think that Australia is a harder country to work in and some of the sillyness I read on here makes me wonder if some have their back bones removed a Brit should proud of his country , moan and whinge over minor things or bull news paper reports so I counter that with the same bull its called irony.
Must show willing the ships sinking by the hour and I am doing my part in this companies lack of success.



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Re: Why emigrate?
 

Not everyone is looking for crass entertainment and neon lights.

When we go on holiday we look for quiet beaches where the most development is the steps to protect the dunes. Our favourite spot is the York Peninsula National Park in South Australia. I'm happy with combination good company, a good book, Aussie wine, and good sights. Australia has a lot to offer in those respects.

Re: Why emigrate?
 

Good for you and WA has enough coast line to cater for both your type of holiday and what most of us would like a bit of life.
We off to OB City Hotel Scarbrough Perth next week for a nights stay, the only high rise hotel complex on the Beach front , great spot its encourged more developement around the area the place is buzzing and more wish to get in on the act.
Was built by Mr Bond against the wishes of the good people of Perth , who now flock to the place as its one of the few places along the coast worth going.
The Nimbys here hold back what most people want because they hate change impose their ideas of a good time on others .
I can enjoy your idea of a day out but why not mine as well , give the party animals a chance too , think of the wealth and employment it would create.






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Re: Why emigrate?
 

How odd a train crash in oz

Re: Why emigrate?
 

Don't get one every year though do they!

Quote from OZ yahoo news:

"The crash was the worst since the infamous "Day of the Roses" in 1977 when 83 people were killed in a train smash at Granville in Sydney."

Im sure your going to tell me otherwise Gle ........... :zzz:

the frequency of accidents will be proportional to the number of journeys. You cannot compare the rail network around uk(london)
10 million population - couple million communters? - with a single track in the australian bush.

The underlying point here is that you must accept that (some)people choose to go to aussieland for the experience - like me they are aware of the sacrifices to be made - I will have to take a big pay cut and I have not a UK house I can sell to take a big wad enabling me to get a nice house in aussieland and a BBQ or something that seem vital to people.

I think I am realistic, I do not have to justify my decision to travel to aus based on negative issues. The whole reason that you are in your position is because of what the UK has provided for you - the infrastructure etc.

It sound as if you are worried about travelling to aus and are tryiing to convince yourself you will be safer and warmer there to offset the fear of moving.

My advice to you is to face up to your real worries. You are not fleeing persecution you want to go to aus. Why? Are you capable of coming up with a good reason?

p.s you are not to mention warmer climate unless required for medical reasons.

Get real.

Re: Why emigrate?
 

Why mention the train crash in OZ in the first place then?

Look. We all have our opinions to why we want to emigrate... none of us think its going to be "a dream life". Most of us will be optimistic and give it 100% to try and make it work.

After all, in the Australian Outlook paper for migrants, over 90% say they are very happy with their new lives in OZ.

Lets not turn this into a slanging match.


Mich

How do you define ambition? If it's to have a good job and make lots of money, which you piss away on materialistic things then fair enough, Australia is probably not for you. A lot of us on here are going for other reasons.

Admittedly, the UK is an excellent place to be 'ambitious' and make money, however many of us have done that and are now looking for something different. It's an old cliche, but money doesn't buy you happiness, it just makes life easier, but then what's wong with a bit of hardship?

BTW; My ambition is to go to Oz and start a new chapter in my life, not to earn lots of money. Does this make me less ambitious than someone who wants to earn lots of dosh? I think not.

Anyway, well done Mr Bastard for causing such a stir on this forum. It's definitely made for good reading. It's a shame a lot of people have taken what you've written too seriously.

PS: Where can I get some sheep?

Regarding Mr Bastard, I echo your sentiments entirely Houdini. I'm glad somebody else finds his posts funny!

When I read his posts (and then re-read because of his poor grammer) I can't help but feel that most of the things he complains about are things that we all know as fact before we even step a foot into Australia. They are things that we know are part of the big adventure; that salaries are lower, that certain jobs are harder to come by, that the onus is on us to as the 'newbies' to make the effort to involve yourself in the local community, that Australia is sport-mad, that ......(etc, etc). God only knows what Mr. Bastard expected.

I suppose the thing I find most bizarre is that Mr Bastard is clearly

As a proud Australian I've just about read enough of your total Sh1t PB. You abuse and put down everything Australian including all of our people, 99.999% which you have never met. Now don't even think I'm some redneck never been out of my own backyard because I've spent the last 5 years living in the UK and probably seen more of the world than you have.

I respect anyone's comments but you sir are a total ~~~~ ~~~~. You speak so much drivel it makes me sick especially since so much of it is complete lies. Just because you have made a failure of your pathetic life, like a complete loser, you blame everything around you except yourself. ~~~~ like you should have never been let into our country and I am half tempted to pay you a visit in Perth oneday just to shut you up myself. So PB ~~~~ ~~~ back to your own country and leave us alone you pathetic loser.

Regarding Mr Bastard, I echo your sentiments entirely Houdini. I'm glad somebody else finds his posts funny.

When I read his posts (and then re-read because of his poor grammer) I can't help but feel that most of the things he complains about are things that we all know as fact before we even step a foot into Australia. They are things that we know are part of the big adventure; that salaries are lower, that certain jobs are harder to come by, that the onus is on us as the 'newbies' to make the effort to involve yourself in the local community, that the sun shines, that Australia is sport-mad, that ......(etc, etc). God only knows what Mr. Bastard expected.

I suppose the thing I find most bizarre is that Mr Bastard is clearly no longer enjoying his stay in Australia (I wonder if he ever did), but yet chooses to spend his leisure time contributing fairly regular and lengthy posts to this newsgroup. One where 80% (a 'guestimate' before you no doubt research and then correct me PB) of the other people on the ng are obviously going to irritate him further, simply because they've retained their enthusiasm for life. Whatsmore, it's an enthusiasm for a life in Australia!

I've made a location change before, and so I'm well aware Australia may not be the place I'd hoped it to be. But I shall make the effort (if the effort is needed) for at least 2 or 3 years (certainly not 9). If all is still not well after that time (I would have realised long before 9 years!) I do hope I don't find myself trawling media for facts and figures to cut and paste to a newsgroup such as this.

Mr Bastard may well find happiness back in the UK, but I get this nagging feeling that he's only going to end up posting, "Don't come to the UK, it's crap", sentiments on some UK immigration newsgroup.

However, please continue the postings Mr Bastard because, as I said at the beginning of this comment, you do make me smile.

I wouldn't be bragging about being a "proud Australian", plucka. Of all the browsing I've done on this forum and others I have yet to come across such filthy language. Whilst I might not agree with all PB has to say, he doesn't have to stoop so pathetically low and spew filth to get his point across. What is the matter with you? Lacking in vocabulary? There is no more loser I have come across in these forums than you, plucka! You are thoroughly disgusting!