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Originally posted by denhim im emmergrating coz i`m bored with life in the north east. when they say its grim up north their not kidding. the beaches are a joke, crappy yellow builders sand with the lovely polluted freezing north sea and just down the coast you have I.C.I chemical works. mmmmm nice (cough splutter cough). i hate the dark winter months aswel so if its not raining its bloody freezing. i just want to do something with my life. it will be a fresh start and a good adventure, or i could be like my dad who has never been abroad and just sits in every night and watch t.v and if the weathers ok at the weekend cut the grass. BORING!!!!!!zzzzzzzz |
Originally posted by Lana I don't really understand why people wanna emigrate from England, but if you consider where I am from, the real question is "Who wouldn't wanna emigrate?". The violence here is horrible, we work tons to have a very low standard of living and for that we are considered rich and are constantly the targets of violence. So for us, if we can move to Australia and mop floors for a living but still be able to pay the bills for our modest lifestyle in the end of the month, and be able to drive to work without being kidnapped at gunpoint, it is wonderful. You might think the kidnap thing is an exageration, but it is so common that it has happened to one of my cousins TWICE as she drove to university, at 8 am. I have seen immigrants establish quite successful small businesses "mopping floors" - cleaning offices etc starting with very little capital but you have to be good at business. A tradesmans qualifications and some energy will bring a modest but comfortable lifestyle but, again, to prosper you need to be be in business and good at managing business risks. |
Re: Why emigrate?
Originally posted by mashiraz Went out for a walk yesterday (Sunday) first day we'd been able to together as a family since way before Christmas. We went to local castle and gardens....weather was nice, a hint of spring in the air. We togged up in wellies, boys bike in the back of the car, and went off. Paid to park the car, with several hundred others who had the same idea and went to the only place they could think of, had a walk, which was nice, but ended up covered in mud and dog dirt..... The thing is it's always like that, you're never on your own in the UK (ok so there are parts you can be, but they aren't near me).. That's what I'm looking forward to in Oz, going for a walk when ever, where it's quiet and where you won't get muddy. Mash... |
Originally posted by Dudley Very sorry to learn that violence affects you so very directly. It is true that most parts of Australia are free of such nastiness - but not all. Some parts of Sydney, often parts where poor immigrants are compelled by finance to live, have a vaguely scary feel about them. There have been some nasty home invasions but special police seem to have dampened that down considerably over the last few years. I have seen immigrants establish quite successful small businesses "mopping floors" - cleaning offices etc starting with very little capital but you have to be good at business. A tradesmans qualifications and some energy will bring a modest but comfortable lifestyle but, again, to prosper you need to be be in business and good at managing business risks. Ah, but I bet your definition of scary doesn't scare me at all :p When I was studying in London the school placed me with a family in Brixton, which is supposed to be violent and scary to Londoners, and it felt safer and nicer to me than the safest neighborhoods here. Of the places I've been to abroad, only the Bronx in NYC and downtown Miami in the US have come even close. The area I was born in, called Baixada Fluminense in Rio, is considered the 3rd most dangerous location in the WORLD (1st one is Lagos, Nigeria and second is São Paulo, also in Brazil)... I don't think people would actually pay me to mop anything though, I suck at cleaning. But I do have 11 years work experience in a bunch of things, 3 different degrees and I speak 4 languages. I bet someone will hire me to at least work fast-food :) |
Re: Why emigrate?
Originally posted by Wolfen Well said.... Australia gives people the opportunity to do with your life, what only the rich and greedy in the UK can do at present.. Wolfen You are all dreaming of a utopia that Australia is not it has the same problems as the UK and less cash to deal with them , plus they make the same mistakes only a few years later . The Poms are known for whinging and you lot are very good at it , wait until you arrive here it will be never done that in the UK and thats old fashioned we did it this way. Private education is more sort after here than the UK , standards are very low, interest rates are higher so is tax and cap that by lower wages a land of plenty in deed, it makes you wonder why so many Aussies sod off to the UK to make some dosh? Heard all this before , remember a lot of Perth is a new but poorly built. MANY government school buildings are in such poor condition they need bulldozing. Classrooms at East Hamilton Hill Primary School, built in 1962, have a serious problem with sagging ceilings. Forrestfield Senior High School has modified its woodwork classes because the building, which is subject to a WorkSafe order, has inadequate dust-extraction equipment. The roofs of two classroom blocks at Springfield primary in Kallaroo leak and the boys' lavatory block smells because the toilets don't flush properly. Weld Square Primary in Morley is having major difficulties upgrading buildings with asbestos panels. Mirrabooka Senior High classrooms have not had a major capital works upgrade since the school was built in 1965, Bassendean Primary has an inadequate drainage system and there are signs of concrete cancer at City Beach Primary. Rossmoyne Senior High, voted Australia's No. 1 school two years ago, has had an airconditioning unit fall into the staff room. Veranda ceilings are being propped up. State School Teachers Union senior vice-president Mike Keely said yesterday the Government would have to bite the bullet and replace up to 100 schools so old and neglected that they were starting to crumble. :D :cool: :beer: :D :cool: :beer: |
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Originally posted by pommie bastard You are all dreaming of a utopia that Australia is not it has the same problems as the UK and less cash to deal with them , plus they make the same mistakes only a few years later . :D :cool: :beer: :D :cool: :beer: Right PB Figures in Australia show that the gap between rich and poor is widening. Did you see Current affair last night? The tax office stinging the ordinary investors. The majority of People here are not rich, there are lot of people living below the poverty margin, debt in this country is sky high. Gambling is a major prob , which I think stems from poverty. we have slums and poverty, and crime here too... but you won't see them on your "place in the sun" tv programmes etc If people think Australia is any better than the UK on politics, taxes and rich and poor they are in for a sad shock really. It seems to me people have a funny view on Australia, the things which they hate in Britain (minus the weather debate) we have here in Australia too, it's no good running away from those things, tax, politics etc... Australia has the same, some things are actually worse here in this respect.. Have you looked at our government, taxes, laws and their policies here? lol Drugs and guns are a big prob here... don't even let me start on the gun laws here. You do realise Britain has got tighter laws than Aus on the gun laws. And besides all the recent dramas with guns in the uk in certain areas like Bradford , Birmingham etc... Britain has tighter gun control laws than Australia and America. a lot of people have a gun licence and keep guns in their homes.. Traffic police carry guns here, all police carry guns, there's always cases of police shooting people who are armed with a knife here. There are places in Sydney where gang warfare is rife... illegal guns are a huge prob. See, Australia is not perfect, it has masses of problems same as any western country, some worse , some better. When I first got here, I was living in Newcastle NSW, the first week I was there I was sitting in a cafe when the bank opposite was held up by armed robbers. Now this town (cardiff) was a small town, not a city, but still armed robbers. Shock to me in my first week. Never had this where I come from in the UK , you may have it in London etc but that's expected, not a small town. There is no such thing as a perfect country, if anyone finds it... let me know cheers:) |
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Originally posted by wolfens_wife If you lived here... you would understand. 1. The Crap weather and spending most of your time indoors cos in either cold or raining. Yes - but here you spend a lot of time indoors cos it`s too bloody hot to go out or risk getting skin cancer 2. The government are so crap. The only thing they are good at is affairs and sex scandals. Australia fares no better... 3. You spend the majority of your life paying the interest off your house. (in twenty five years you might even get to own it!) Yes, the majority of Australians are in the same boat... 4. Nobody can let their kids even play outside (when it is sunny) these days without the fear of either being abducted or worse! - happens here too, plus the drivers are maniacs, so that`s an added worry... 5. The public transport is so bad that if it doesnt crash, its either cancelled or two hours late. Waited in Brisbane for the 8.30 train - hadn`t turned up by 9.15 -at 9.30 they announced it had been cancelled altogether... Im not saying Australia doesn't have these problems and live is going to be so wonderful, but if we have a chance of improving it then which fool is going to turn that down? mich |
people think Uk is bad when unemployment is 3.1% workign conditions have never been so good given the stupid labour / european laws being introduced. average incomes are 30% higher than in Oz.
class in oz is here big time just not in the same way as UK. money is the class here and if you've got it then you will live comfortably. unfortunately most dont and they live a very average existence. public schools are not great, health care costs big time, police are often poorly trained, arogant or even corrupt. The news / tv stations are totalling run for profit so low cost programmes, loads of imported US shows, poor news coverage. Same with the press - there are only 2 companies that publish everything more or less so no competition and no desire to provide value. Unemployment is high so work is demanding. Days are longer. Less holiday / benefits. There is always plenty of workers to replace you if you wont do it. Politics are a joke. The voting system is so complicated nobody understands it. Politicians earn huge salaries and enjoy 5 star pension packages. People that say they dont go out doors in UK because its cold raining in winter will be the same in Oz in the summer - it will be too hot or you will get burnt. In winter it will be cold and raining. You can go to the beach but even in Qld for 9 months of the year you cannot swim without a wetsuite as its too cold. I can understand people getting frustrated with their lives but unless you've got cash this is'nt a great opportunity for anybody. The only advantage is that anybody with a fair bit of cash say $300,000 could move to Brisbane / Perth and buy an average house outright. If you can find a job then even with a lower salary the lack of a mortgage has to be better. But if you hav'nt got the cash I don't see the point of moving here to better yourself. For an adventure. For an experience. Then yes but this is'nt a land of opportunity but unfortunately it suites the Ozzies to make people think it is as they need migrants or more specifically they need your money. |
Originally posted by captaincook people think Uk is bad when unemployment is 3.1% workign conditions have never been so good given the stupid labour / european laws being introduced. average incomes are 30% higher than in Oz. class in oz is here big time just not in the same way as UK. money is the class here and if you've got it then you will live comfortably. unfortunately most dont and they live a very average existence. public schools are not great, health care costs big time, police are often poorly trained, arogant or even corrupt. The news / tv stations are totalling run for profit so low cost programmes, loads of imported US shows, poor news coverage. Same with the press - there are only 2 companies that publish everything more or less so no competition and no desire to provide value. Unemployment is high so work is demanding. Days are longer. Less holiday / benefits. There is always plenty of workers to replace you if you wont do it. Politics are a joke. The voting system is so complicated nobody understands it. Politicians earn huge salaries and enjoy 5 star pension packages. People that say they dont go out doors in UK because its cold raining in winter will be the same in Oz in the summer - it will be too hot or you will get burnt. In winter it will be cold and raining. You can go to the beach but even in Qld for 9 months of the year you cannot swim without a wetsuite as its too cold. I can understand people getting frustrated with their lives but unless you've got cash this is'nt a great opportunity for anybody. The only advantage is that anybody with a fair bit of cash say $300,000 could move to Brisbane / Perth and buy an average house outright. If you can find a job then even with a lower salary the lack of a mortgage has to be better. But if you hav'nt got the cash I don't see the point of moving here to better yourself. For an adventure. For an experience. Then yes but this is'nt a land of opportunity but unfortunately it suites the Ozzies to make people think it is as they need migrants or more specifically they need your money. A point I would add is that 20-40 years ago Australia was a place where you could make a good quid starting with empty pockets. Commodity prices were high and so was the $AU. I think that the Australian Immigration marketing message has persisted from that time. Since then the global economy tipped back in favour of the more industrial countries and Australia has been in a decline economically in proportion. Also, Australians picked up the European habit of demanding more perks from the gubberment rather than being self reliant. Taxes increased enormously so fewer people could aquire wealth. Then Australian and foreign businesses discovered that the American science of marketing could not only help them pick the pockets of those that had more money than sense but could also mortgage way into the future the earnings of those who had no cents at all. However, I suspect that the worm is turning: commodity prices and, to a lesser degree, Australian manufacturing are on a longer term upswing. Probably not as great as some commodity booms but nice none-the-less. |
We are not expecting Utopia.
On the odd occasion when the sun shines here the world is a different place. In the summer we would normally pick up the kids from school, go straight down the beach for a few hours and then come back to a BBQ and sit outside over a few beers chatting. Idyllic! However, we get so little sunshine (didn't even put up the sun shade last summer) that we rarely get to do this. The way I see it, I would rather be in Oz, sat outside next to the BBQ with a cold beer in hand saying "what a crap day I've had, how was yours" to my other half. instead of which I am normally battling my way home in the freezing cold rain, stuck in yet another endless traffic jam and looking forward to nothing more than a hot meal and an evening in front of the t.v. Steph |
Here here Steph
We're hoping to emigrate from the glorious sun drenched West Midlands to Sydney this August, not because we believe everything in Australia is Utopia (far from it, we've been there, read the papers, seen the news, etc), but because I would otherwise always regret not trying. Like anywhere there will be difficulties and disappointments, but the upside of an outdoor-based lifestyle within a sports-mad culture does it for me. As for all the debate on relative incomes, wealth, etc - I believe there is a choice - live like an ex-pat and winge about differentials, or live as an Australian and get on with life! |
Originally posted by Paul and Steph We are not expecting Utopia. On the odd occasion when the sun shines here the world is a different place. In the summer we would normally pick up the kids from school, go straight down the beach for a few hours and then come back to a BBQ and sit outside over a few beers chatting. Idyllic! However, we get so little sunshine (didn't even put up the sun shade last summer) that we rarely get to do this. The way I see it, I would rather be in Oz, sat outside next to the BBQ with a cold beer in hand saying "what a crap day I've had, how was yours" to my other half. instead of which I am normally battling my way home in the freezing cold rain, stuck in yet another endless traffic jam and looking forward to nothing more than a hot meal and an evening in front of the t.v. Steph I hear you well. For the last 10 days in Canberra it has been hazy with bush fire smoke and people have been feeling low because the sun shines orange!!! Mind you 4 people killed, 100 injured, 500 homes destroyed is pretty grim. Today it's clearing and the smiles are back even though we are in the worst recorded drought. |
Re: Why emigrate?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by pommie bastard
Wake up you are in for a shock , money counts in Australia big time and the biggest sport in Australia is watching TV up to 5 hours a day according to a new poll. You are all dreaming of a utopia that Australia is not it has the same problems as the UK and less cash to deal with them , plus they make the same mistakes only a few years later . The Poms are known for whinging and you lot are very good at it , wait until you arrive here it will be never done that in the UK and thats ...................... blaa blaa blaa more PB negativity I can`t remember the last time I heard PB say anything in a positive light.... aaahh but then I do remember why I added him to my ignore list. Occasionally I read his posts to see if he is any happier with life... but it appears not. I am not expecting a utopia or a place where everything is rosy and YES I am awake. My wife summed up our feelings very well at the start of this thread. We are fully aware of the less than positive aspects and in MY opinion they are far out weighted by the positive aspects. Wolfen |
Ah! Wolfen, you are definately barking up the wrong tree if you think PB is going to change :D
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Originally posted by ianduggan5 Ah! Wolfen, you are definately barking up the wrong tree if you think PB is going to change :D All we can do is hope !!!! |
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