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Noun
Paki (plural Pakis)
(UK, Canada, offensive, racial slur) A Pakistani, or, more generally and incorrectly used, a person who is perceived to be from South Asian or the Indian Subcontinent origin which is still considered offensive. See usage notes.
Translations
Russian: пак (pak) m
Adjective
Paki (not comparable)
Short for Pakistani.
(literally means in Urdu) Pure, Cleanliness
(UK, Canada, pejorative, offensive and racist when spoken by non-Pakistanis) Pakistani, or perceived to be Pakistani.
Paki (plural Pakis)
(UK, Canada, offensive, racial slur) A Pakistani, or, more generally and incorrectly used, a person who is perceived to be from South Asian or the Indian Subcontinent origin which is still considered offensive. See usage notes.
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Russian: пак (pak) m
Adjective
Paki (not comparable)
Short for Pakistani.
(literally means in Urdu) Pure, Cleanliness
(UK, Canada, pejorative, offensive and racist when spoken by non-Pakistanis) Pakistani, or perceived to be Pakistani.
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A long time ago......there was a thread started by a Pakistani poster looking for advice who used the term 'Paki' in the thread title. Needless to say some people were outraged and the thread title was changed.....however the poster had no idea that the term could have negative connatations.
Much as I never agree with anything he says, Ned Kelly did have a point here:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...2&postcount=24
I'm not sure how you can go on about globalisation and lack of cultural isolation in one sentence and yet say that by and large the derogatory meaning of 'Spooks' is not widely known in the UK??
Much as I never agree with anything he says, Ned Kelly did have a point here:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...2&postcount=24
I'm not sure how you can go on about globalisation and lack of cultural isolation in one sentence and yet say that by and large the derogatory meaning of 'Spooks' is not widely known in the UK??
I must admit that link suprised me a little. It seems Pakistanis view Paki in the same way we do Pom. Interesting. Like most people I had always thought of it in the derogatory sense. Thanks for posting that.
Still wouldn't say it though
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A long time ago......there was a thread started by a Pakistani poster looking for advice who used the term 'Paki' in the thread title. Needless to say some people were outraged and the thread title was changed.....however the poster had no idea that the term could have negative connatations.
Much as I never agree with anything he says, Ned Kelly did have a point here:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...2&postcount=24
I'm not sure how you can go on about globalisation and lack of cultural isolation in one sentence and yet say that by and large the derogatory meaning of 'Spooks' is not widely known in the UK??
Much as I never agree with anything he says, Ned Kelly did have a point here:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...2&postcount=24
I'm not sure how you can go on about globalisation and lack of cultural isolation in one sentence and yet say that by and large the derogatory meaning of 'Spooks' is not widely known in the UK??
Do you think the term should be used more widely then?
With Australia's recent historical connections to the UK and the massive migration, it seems unlikely that a considerable proportion of the population is not aware of the racist connotations of Paki. Not so with the UK and spooks. And the contexts of these examples were completely different.
There is also a major difference between Pakistanis using the term Paki and someone else using it. The first poster on the other thread obviously didn't grow up hearing it used with venom and hatred, probably because they grew up in Pakistan.
It raises the question, where do you draw the line between Australia being refreshingly un-PC and the last bastion for racist bigots?
(I'm not suggesting that anyone here is a racist bigot, by the way. But some things about Australia do seem to appeal to that type)
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Paki / Pakki
(Primarily UK and Canada, sometimes US, NZ and India) a South Asian. Within the UK, the term originates in Northern England, where a large number of South-Asians arrived in the 1950s and 1960s, and where they and their descendants have settled in cities such as Bradford and Leeds. Because of the large number of Pakistanis living in Bradford, the city is sometimes referred to as 'Bradistan', mixing Bradford and Pakistan. It is also sometimes called 'Pakiford' It is usually considered offensive when used by a non-South Asian in the UK.
(Primarily UK and Canada, sometimes US, NZ and India) a South Asian. Within the UK, the term originates in Northern England, where a large number of South-Asians arrived in the 1950s and 1960s, and where they and their descendants have settled in cities such as Bradford and Leeds. Because of the large number of Pakistanis living in Bradford, the city is sometimes referred to as 'Bradistan', mixing Bradford and Pakistan. It is also sometimes called 'Pakiford' It is usually considered offensive when used by a non-South Asian in the UK.
- (UK, Canada, offensive, racial slur) A Pakistani, or, more generally and incorrectly used, a person who is perceived to be from South Asian or the Indian Subcontinent origin which is still considered offensive. See usage notes.
- Short for Pakistani.
- (literally means in Urdu) Pure, Cleanliness
- (UK, Canada, pejorative, offensive and racist when spoken by non-Pakistanis) Pakistani, or perceived to be Pakistani.
I guess you and I have different definitions for unambiguous.
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I find it funny that a lot of people here are saying Australia is un-pc. You people are obviously not here or haven’t been here for very long. Australia is very very PC.
When going to Uni here we were not even allowed to use the terms BC (before Christ) and AD (Anno Domini ) when stating dates, we had to use the PC term which is BCE and CE...... for people who don’t know, that’s “Before Common Era” and “Common Era”
Chalkboards instead of Blackboards
Rainbow sheep instead of Black sheep
Personhole instead of Manhole
Mind-map instead of Brain storm
Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas
Australia is full of PC.
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When going to Uni here we were not even allowed to use the terms BC (before Christ) and AD (Anno Domini ) when stating dates, we had to use the PC term which is BCE and CE...... for people who don’t know, that’s “Before Common Era” and “Common Era”
Chalkboards instead of Blackboards
Rainbow sheep instead of Black sheep
Personhole instead of Manhole
Mind-map instead of Brain storm
Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas
Australia is full of PC.
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I wish everyone would stop going to www.somewebsite.com and using it as some sort of argument either way.
"It says it on the Internet it must be true" is not a basis to determine if a word is offensive or not (common sense is).
I can go on wikipedia right now and put whatever I want on the page for "paki" as can the 4 billion other people on the planet.
"It says it on the Internet it must be true" is not a basis to determine if a word is offensive or not (common sense is).
I can go on wikipedia right now and put whatever I want on the page for "paki" as can the 4 billion other people on the planet.
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I agree, but it also seems that a big part of Australia's appeal to migrants from the UK is the perceived absence of PC.
I find it funny that a lot of people here are saying Australia is un-pc. You people are obviously not here or haven’t been here for very long. Australia is very very PC.
When going to Uni here we were not even allowed to use the terms BC (before Christ) and AD (Anno Domini ) when stating dates, we had to use the PC term which is BCE and CE...... for people who don’t know, that’s “Before Common Era” and “Common Era”
Chalkboards instead of Blackboards
Rainbow sheep instead of Black sheep
Personhole instead of Manhole
Mind-map instead of Brain storm
Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas
Australia is full of PC.
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When going to Uni here we were not even allowed to use the terms BC (before Christ) and AD (Anno Domini ) when stating dates, we had to use the PC term which is BCE and CE...... for people who don’t know, that’s “Before Common Era” and “Common Era”
Chalkboards instead of Blackboards
Rainbow sheep instead of Black sheep
Personhole instead of Manhole
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Australia is full of PC.
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With the PC, what I don’t get is we can’t call it a Blackboard anymore, yet we are still allowed use the term “Whiteboard” for the whiteboard?
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Also I view Australia as some kind of Police state these days. Where else in the world are you asked to show the contents of your bag(s) to store staff when leaving without buying anything? In fact even when my wife was buying something at K-Mart they asked to look inside her hand-bag!!
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No I don't & neither am I suggesting that it should.
With Australia's recent historical connections to the UK and the massive migration, it seems unlikely that a considerable proportion of the population is not aware of the racist connotations of Paki. Not so with the UK and spooks. And the contexts of these examples were completely different.
There is also a major difference between Pakistanis using the term Paki and someone else using it. The first poster on the other thread obviously didn't grow up hearing it used with venom and hatred, probably because they grew up in Pakistan.
There is also a major difference between Pakistanis using the term Paki and someone else using it. The first poster on the other thread obviously didn't grow up hearing it used with venom and hatred, probably because they grew up in Pakistan.
That I do agree with - however I hope many of them are in for a surprise when they get here!
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Yep, so true. Then they find Australia is much more PC about everything except race issues. Half of the racy/sexy type ads in the UK would be banned in Australia.
Also I view Australia as some kind of Police state these days. Where else in the world are you asked to show the contents of your bag(s) to store staff when leaving without buying anything? In fact even when my wife was buying something at K-Mart they asked to look inside her hand-bag!!
Also I view Australia as some kind of Police state these days. Where else in the world are you asked to show the contents of your bag(s) to store staff when leaving without buying anything? In fact even when my wife was buying something at K-Mart they asked to look inside her hand-bag!!
I find that you just smile and walk past half the time
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I wish everyone would stop going to www.somewebsite.com and using it as some sort of argument either way.
"It says it on the Internet it must be true" is not a basis to determine if a word is offensive or not (common sense is).
I can go on wikipedia right now and put whatever I want on the page for "paki" as can the 4 billion other people on the planet.
"It says it on the Internet it must be true" is not a basis to determine if a word is offensive or not (common sense is).
I can go on wikipedia right now and put whatever I want on the page for "paki" as can the 4 billion other people on the planet.
Unfortunately common sense does not seem to be consistent from one person to the next so that is also not a good basis to determine whether a word is offensive or not.
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Interesting link. Did you read the whole thread? (I'm not ex-exile, by the way)
Do you think the term should be used more widely then?
With Australia's recent historical connections to the UK and the massive migration, it seems unlikely that a considerable proportion of the population is not aware of the racist connotations of Paki. Not so with the UK and spooks. And the contexts of these examples were completely different.
There is also a major difference between Pakistanis using the term Paki and someone else using it. The first poster on the other thread obviously didn't grow up hearing it used with venom and hatred, probably because they grew up in Pakistan.
It raises the question, where do you draw the line between Australia being refreshingly un-PC and the last bastion for racist bigots?
(I'm not suggesting that anyone here is a racist bigot, by the way. But some things about Australia do seem to appeal to that type)
Do you think the term should be used more widely then?
With Australia's recent historical connections to the UK and the massive migration, it seems unlikely that a considerable proportion of the population is not aware of the racist connotations of Paki. Not so with the UK and spooks. And the contexts of these examples were completely different.
There is also a major difference between Pakistanis using the term Paki and someone else using it. The first poster on the other thread obviously didn't grow up hearing it used with venom and hatred, probably because they grew up in Pakistan.
It raises the question, where do you draw the line between Australia being refreshingly un-PC and the last bastion for racist bigots?
(I'm not suggesting that anyone here is a racist bigot, by the way. But some things about Australia do seem to appeal to that type)
Litmus test would be... ask a person that has migrated directly from Pakistan (not via the UK) for yourself.
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