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jayr Jul 28th 2003 4:26 pm

Where are the threads disappearing to?
 
On the assumption that threads posted here are not libellous, defamatory, inciting of racial hatred can we please leave them undisturbed? In fact if any threads are to be removed, can they be the really disagreeable ones where the dividing line between informed debate on immigration issues and ranting against foreigners is often crossed rather than the ones which people just find go off topic a bit?

Wilf Jul 28th 2003 4:32 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by jayr
On the assumption that threads posted here are not libellous, defamatory, inciting of racial hatred can we please leave them undisturbed? In fact if any threads are to be removed, can they be the really disagreeable ones where the dividing line between informed debate on immigration issues and ranting against foreigners is often crossed rather than the ones which people just find go off topic a bit?
I think the answer to that is no, jayr.

Watch this thread disappear too in a minute.

Ceri Jul 28th 2003 4:35 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by Wilf
I think the answer to that is no, jayr.

Watch this thread disappear too in a minute.

now this is getting to be amusing - give it up Wilf - you won't win -lol

cheers

pommie bastard Jul 28th 2003 4:35 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by jayr
On the assumption that threads posted here are not libellous, defamatory, inciting of racial hatred can we please leave them undisturbed? In fact if any threads are to be removed, can they be the really disagreeable ones where the dividing line between informed debate on immigration issues and ranting against foreigners is often crossed rather than the ones which people just find go off topic a bit?

True any racial remarks are fine if they are against the blacks or Muslims , any that question how unbaised a poster maybe are off limits.

:D :cool: :beer:

Ceri Jul 28th 2003 4:38 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 
The last thread was quite interesting - on the subject of advertising , people were having a genuine , good discussion on this subject , some people agreed, others disagreed- why it was deleted I do not know.

It was a genuine interesting thread ,relevant to this forum - and no arguments, or abuse etc

Cheers:)

dotty Jul 28th 2003 4:48 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by Ceri
The last thread was quite interesting - on the subject of advertising , people were having a genuine , good discussion on this subject , some people agreed, others disagreed- why it was deleted I do not know.

It was a genuine interesting thread ,relevant to this forum - and no arguments, or abuse etc

Cheers:)
Speaking of disappering computer stuff. Opened my email account only to find all my addresses had disappeared.
:scared:

Getting computer whiz brother in law to look at it on weekend.

Suspicious indeed:scared:

porkchop Jul 28th 2003 4:49 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by Ceri
The last thread was quite interesting - on the subject of advertising , people were having a genuine , good discussion on this subject , some people agreed, others disagreed- why it was deleted I do not know.

It was a genuine interesting thread ,relevant to this forum - and no arguments, or abuse etc

Cheers:)

I think you will find that PB targeted one Individual. Which, in my opinion was out of order.

PC

Wilf Jul 28th 2003 4:50 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by Ceri
now this is getting to be amusing - give it up Wilf - you won't win -lol

cheers
You are right Ceri.

No free speech if it clashes with business interests? This is how I find the world now and what a sad state that is. I could say anything I like if it is racist, but not if I question advertising.

ptlabs Jul 28th 2003 4:51 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by Wilf
I could say anything I like if it is racist

No, you may not.

pommie bastard Jul 28th 2003 4:54 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by porkchop
I think you will find that PB targeted one Individual. Which, in my opinion was out of order.

PC
What is your name about is it to insult people of the Muslim faith , your opinions upto now are not worth repeating try again , start with I believe in Freedom of Speech and no self interest should cloud it.


:D :cool: :beer:

jayr Jul 28th 2003 4:54 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by porkchop
I think you will find that PB targeted one Individual. Which, in my opinion was out of order.

PC
I don't believe that he said anything which would be libellous, for which the publisher of this site would rightly wish to remove. Most publishers or journalists usually defend the right to freedom of speech as long as there are no laws broken. In fact many would go to jail over such issues.

Wilf Jul 28th 2003 5:02 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by porkchop
I think you will find that PB targeted one Individual. Which, in my opinion was out of order.

PC
PB was not out of order at all and nor was I. There was a suggestion from "one individual" that they were fed up with posters who highlighted the bad side of Oz and the "one individual" is someone who makes money from people emigrating to Oz. All we did after that was debate whether it was right for someone to advertise on the forum for free and whether those making money from emigration should decide who can and cannot post. It is a freedom of speech issue.

porkchop Jul 28th 2003 5:04 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by jayr
I don't believe that he said anything which would be libellous, for which the publisher of this site would rightly wish to remove. Most publishers or journalists usually defend the right to freedom of speech as long as there are no laws broken. In fact many would go to jail over such issues.
This was a personal campaign to bring discredit on an individual.
Brought about as revenge for the individual desagreeing with PB.
Not the done thing on a civilised forum in my humble opinion.
If it was about advertising for free then PB may or may not be conected to some Newspaper group for all we know.
He does post links to many newspaper and news sites.

PC

ptlabs Jul 28th 2003 5:06 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by Wilf
All we did after that was debate
An uncivilized debate, nonetheless.

Ceri Jul 28th 2003 5:06 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 
Try putting the words "I personally believe" in front of your sentence- not liable

Just find it odd why that certain thread was deleted - when I have read pure and utter racist remarks here which have not be deleted, I have also read numerous threads which have been started to single out an individual and they have not been deleted - I.e if you are going to delete Pb's threads - try deleting threads which start singling him out - or what about the one on this page titled "Wilf shut up" - in other words what is good for the goose is good for gander

I do think Pb has some sort of a gripe with Alan , that is their prob, but reading through the thread which was deleted - PB did not really attack him, it was a disagreement. And it was more to do with the subject of advertising - not personally attacking an individual

I'm staying out of it now - I do not know any of you , and it is not my argument.

I think all that people were asking for - is a line between genuine advice and business interests.

Cheers:)

ptlabs Jul 28th 2003 5:08 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by Ceri
Just find it odd why that certain thread was deleted - when I have read pure and utter racist remarks here which have not be deleted,
Point them out and I'll delete them, even if I'm accused of mob rule.

jayr Jul 28th 2003 5:08 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by porkchop
This was a personal campaign to bring discredit on an individual.
Brought about as revenge for the individual desagreeing with PB.
Not the done thing on a civilised forum in my humble opinion.
If it was about advertising for free then PB may or may not be conected to some Newspaper group for all we know.
He does post links to many newspaper and news sites.

PC
You may well be right but it was hardly the sort of thing that required deletion. Is censorship to be based on civility?

jayr Jul 28th 2003 5:10 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by ptlabs
An uncivilized debate, nonetheless.
Is ths the rule for what cannot be posted then? Please reinstate my deleted threads forthwith.

ptlabs Jul 28th 2003 5:12 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by jayr
You may well be right but it was hardly the sort of thing that required deletion. Is censorship to be based on civility?
For a person who continued to spam this forum, you talk about civility. You have no idea...

porkchop Jul 28th 2003 5:12 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by jayr
You may well be right but it was hardly the sort of thing that required deletion. Is censorship to be based on civility?
Put yourself in the position of the said indiviual.
Would you be so understanding?
What would it do to your reputation?

PC

ptlabs Jul 28th 2003 5:12 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by jayr
Is ths the rule for what cannot be posted then? Please reinstate my deleted threads forthwith.
Go look at the Lounge for your "missing" threads.

Wilf Jul 28th 2003 5:20 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by porkchop
Put yourself in the position of the said indiviual.
Would you be so understanding?
What would it do to your reputation?

PC
It will not have done any favours to the reputations of those who make money out of people emigrating to Oz, you are right there.

jayr Jul 28th 2003 5:20 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by ptlabs
Go look at the Lounge for your "missing" threads.

I hardly think it was Spam, I was making a very valid point, presumably you take your role of authority over this forum with a dash of responsibility. I just happen to be vehemently in favour of freedom of speech, call me old fashioned.

ptlabs Jul 28th 2003 5:21 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by jayr
I just happen to be vehemently in favour of freedom of speech, call me old fashioned.
And unlike you, I'm vehemently in favour of civilized free speech.

ptlabs Jul 28th 2003 5:23 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by jayr
presumably you take your role of authority over this forum with a dash of responsibility.
You mean my role of responsibility with a dash of authority. You tend to get things a little mixed up, I can see.

jayr Jul 28th 2003 5:32 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by ptlabs
You mean my role of responsibility with a dash of authority. You tend to get things a little mixed up, I can see.

Now who's being uncivil?

renth Jul 28th 2003 6:58 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by jayr
Most publishers or journalists usually defend the right to freedom of speech as long as there are no laws broken. In fact many would go to jail over such issues.
With one BIG caveat... Unless it upsets their advertisers.

pommie bastard Jul 30th 2003 12:34 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by renth
With one BIG caveat... Unless it upsets their advertisers.
Would immigration agents upset their punters or dish out comments that put Australia in a bad light?



:D :cool: :beer:

renth Jul 30th 2003 12:40 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by pommie bastard
Would immigration agents upset their punters or dish out comments that put Australia in a bad light?
:D :cool: :beer:
No they wouldn't, but don't forget who sponsors this site PB (look at the banner at the top of the page.)

That's why I reckon some of the threads are being cut.

ptlabs Jul 30th 2003 12:51 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by renth
No they wouldn't, but don't forget who sponsors this site PB (look at the banner at the top of the page.)

That's why I reckon some of the threads are being cut.
Well, you reckoned wrong.

Ceri Jul 30th 2003 12:51 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by renth
No they wouldn't, but don't forget who sponsors this site PB (look at the banner at the top of the page.)

That's why I reckon some of the threads are being cut.

What Banner? I can't see any ad's. I have an Ad block installed. It comes in handy for sites with loads of flashing banners and pop ups. It's peaceful on my computer. All I see is this- [AD] where an advert should be.

Cheers:)

pommie bastard Jul 30th 2003 3:39 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by ptlabs
Well, you reckoned wrong.
Just a minor point why does a lad living in lumberjack land care about a few jibes aimed at third world Australia , is Renth right you protect the hand that feeds you?

:D :cool: :beer:

megawho Jul 30th 2003 3:41 pm

Re: Where are the threads disappearing to?
 

Originally posted by ptlabs
And unlike you, I'm vehemently in favour of civilized free speech.

Ahhh....but who's to be the judge of all this? Ultimately it will come down to your opinion, and there will be some censorship involved....

Florida_03 Jul 30th 2003 6:55 pm

It is interesting to have a look in the USA Lifestyle and Culture forum.

The language, threats and general tone by one particular poster make this forum look like Sesame Street.

What say you ptlabs not your patch?

pommie bastard Jul 30th 2003 6:57 pm


Originally posted by Florida_03
It is interesting to have a look in the USA Lifestyle and Culture forum.

The language, threats and general tone by one particular poster make this forum look like Sesame Street.

What say you ptlabs not your patch?
Or not aimed at immigration agents?


:D :cool: :beer:

Florida_03 Jul 31st 2003 6:39 pm


Originally posted by Florida_03
It is interesting to have a look in the USA Lifestyle and Culture forum.

The language, threats and general tone by one particular poster make this forum look like Sesame Street.

What say you ptlabs not your patch?
It is interesting to have a look in the USA Lifestyle and Culture forum.

The language, threats and general tone by some posters make this forum look like Sesame Street.

What say you ptlabs not your patch?

pommie bastard Jul 31st 2003 6:41 pm


Originally posted by Florida_03
It is interesting to have a look in the USA Lifestyle and Culture forum.

The language, threats and general tone by some posters make this forum look like Sesame Street.

What say you ptlabs not your patch?
No PBs on there I take it ?

:D :cool: :beer:

Florida_03 Jul 31st 2003 6:43 pm


Originally posted by pommie bastard
No PBs on there I take it ?

:D :cool: :beer:
Here's how one USA post starts:

"Are you actually a f#%king moron"

Charming...


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