What is a POM?

Old May 6th 2005, 6:01 am
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Originally Posted by TopCat3
I'm definitely not going to be called a Pom. Given that it's considered racist and terribly non-pc to use the terms: wog, wop, slopehead, lebo, slanteyes, chink, nip, Abo, etc., it absolutely riles me to hear English/British whatever referred to as Poms, particularly when it's done by the ABC and the pollies. Whoarr, feel much better now I've got that off my chest. Ooh I love this forum I'm so glad I found you all. (after 18 years here...)
Remember in England since immigration back in the 1950s and even present day - Irish are regarded as 'Paddys', Scottish as 'Jocks', Welsh as 'Taffies', Pakistanis as 'Pakis' etc etc.....you cannot expect to give it and not recieve it !!!!

From our experience us Irish are regarded as just Irish, no nicknames whatsoever, I guess the Aussies like us 'Paddys' and as two different nationalities we get on famously.

Don't take the word 'Pom' personally !
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What is the sentiment towards Scots and English like? Is there a bias toward either?

Come to that, has anybody here experienced the kind of derisory use of the word "POM" that i talked about earlier.
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Remember in England since immigration back in the 1950s and even present day - Irish are regarded as 'Paddys', Scottish as 'Jocks', Welsh as 'Taffies', Pakistanis as 'Pakis' etc etc.....you cannot expect to give it and not recieve it !!!!
I don't mind being called a "Jock" or anything else for that matter. Water off a ducks back.
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Originally Posted by beebopaloola
found this on the WEB....

Pommy" (or "pom" or "pommie") is a primarily Australian (and largely derisive) slang term used to indicate a recent immigrant from Great Britain, :scared: or a Brit in general. (includes Scotland!!! )The origins of "pommy" having been lost in the mists of time, someone needed to cook up an etymology for it, preferably one equal to the pejorative sense of the word. Accordingly, we now have the story that criminals transported to Australia were designated "Prisoners of His Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" (some versions claim the convicts bore one of these legends printed on the backs of their shirts), and thus the acronym "POHM" or "POME" eventually evolved into the slang term "pom" or "pommy."

This amusing anecdote is doubtful as anything more than a fanciful invention, as acronymic origins antedating the mid-twentieth century are automatically suspect, and the use of "pommy" has been recorded at least as far back as 1915. Moreover, nobody has yet turned up corroborating evidence that "Prisoner of His Majesty" or "Prisoners of Mother England" were actually common designations for criminals transported to Australia. The best guess at this time is that "pommy" was based on the word "pomegranate" -- either because the redness of the fruit supposedly matched the typically florid British complexion, or because (like "Johnny Grant") it was used as rhyming slang for "immigrant."
I don't know about the pomegranite thing. We had a dinner party the other week and noone there had ever heard of pomegranites. No idea how they came up in conversation but I had a hell of a time trying to explain what they are (and a couple of mates were still dubious as to whether I was winding them up) Maybe our mates are just fruit retards
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Originally Posted by Australia Bound
I don't mind being called a "Jock" or anything else for that matter. Water off a ducks back.
My point exactly - just because English people get called a Poms doesn't mean you take it personally, just like you say "water off a ducks back".
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Originally Posted by Phil-UK
So as most of us believe that POHM aka POM stands for Prisoner of Her Majesty then wouldn't that make the first Aussies POMs rather than new immigrants, if they were the convicts sent out there ?

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or Prisoner of Mother (England)....to indicate that the English have now become the prisoners of *their* country..ie the worm has turned.

Must be for so many to want to come out.

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I don't care about being called a pom any more than the Aussies care about being called an Aussie.

I don't care if i'm percieved as winging if i am complaing either, its tough really. If i winge and am called a winging pom i couldn't give a monkeys (it hasn't happened yet) I won't change the way i am just to be seen to be a "non winging pom". I just don't care either way really
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Default Re: What is a POM?

Originally Posted by irishmolly
From our experience us Irish are regarded as just Irish, no nicknames whatsoever, I guess the Aussies like us 'Paddys' and as two different nationalities we get on famously.
Irish? Spud?

More a nickname for a Catholic of Irish descent.
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Originally Posted by Badge
There is no reason why Scottish people should not be poms as they presumably would also have been transported and therefore be a pom,or have their skin go red (depending on where the origin came from).

It is quite possible that in everyday usage Aussies have decided that Pom be a thing for an English person exclusively, wrongly or rightly but it would not be accurate.

I don't find Pom in the least offensive. It is only offensive when a Pom is acting in a way which is likely to carry the tab "whinging" and thus tars us all with the same brush lol. Most whinging poms earn their title justifably.

Guess what. Last night I was told by a waitress that I was the most UNwhinging ''Pom'' she had ever met...(we had been having a chat with some Aussie mates with her) hows that for a stamp of approval.. I was dumbstruck

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I'd call it a back-handed compliment.
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I'd call it a back-handed compliment.
not really. Sounds like you have taken it all the wrong way, or have had a few bad experiences. There is no way Pom is as bad as wog. Most people laugh it off. The waitress was very nice and polite and she meant it in a positive way (I won't reproduce the whole conversation or context - it wasn't a spur of the moment thing, we'd been chatting) and I thought it was actually quite a compliment, all told.

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Originally Posted by Megalania
Irish? Spud?

More a nickname for a Catholic of Irish descent.
Never heard of that one ? and why only Catholics ? do Irish Prodestants not eat potatoes ?
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Never heard of that one ? and why only Catholics ? do Irish Prodestants not eat potatoes ?
Comments like that rarely make sense. Australia used to be divided down Catholic Protestant lines in schooling and work.
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Originally Posted by yamahaha
I heard that POM is an acronym for "Prisoner of Mother England" and therefore should actually be spelt "POME"

Also being Scotish am I classed as a POM/POME be it whingeing or nay???
If not whats does that make other UK residents like the Scots/Irish/Welsh?

Just a thought....

I read recently in the Australian National Museum, Canberra, that the term does come from the colour of the English skin turning as red as a pomegranite (sp?). They totally dismissed the prisoner thing (which I had thought it meant)

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Originally Posted by philian4
I read recently in the Australian National Museum, Canberra, that the term does come from the colour of the English skin turning as red as a pomegranite (sp?). They totally dismissed the prisoner thing (which I had thought it meant)

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Yes, well, they would, wouldn't they...?
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Originally Posted by Badge
not really. Sounds like you have taken it all the wrong way, or have had a few bad experiences. ... etc
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No, and Yes. Over the course of time, I didn't believe it at first...
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