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KAYJAS May 17th 2006 5:56 am

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Originally Posted by CHnJ
I was looking at this post and was trying to remember writing it. Then I realised KAYJAS has swiped my mighty avatar!! Oi! Givvitback!

Hey!! I'm really sorry !! Honest. I'll go searching for a new one. I must admit the picture isn't :D quite as good looking as me though!!!

KAYJAS May 17th 2006 6:02 am

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Originally Posted by 5teve
working as a mechanical design engineer. i actually found the wages in sydney to be slightly worse than in perth! not quite what i was expecting :)

Thanks

Steve


Hi Steve - Snap, I'm a mechanical design engineer as well, having served an apprenticeship 20 odd years ago and worked my way through the ranks. I now create 3D models and 2D drawings on cad.
I don't have a degree but I do have an HNC. Were you sought after or have you had problems getting a job? :)

Vash the Stampede May 17th 2006 6:12 am

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I'd like to address the claim by jad n rich that "30-40% of Australian employeers are casually employed. No source was offered in support of this assertion, nor were we told how recently this alleged statistic was published.

To some extent, however, this doesn't really matter, since the claim itself is demonstrably false.

The most recent government statistics on casual employment that I'm aware of, were published on the 20/01/06, and are correct to August 2004.

They present a very different picture to the one claimed by jad n rich:

While the nature and level of casual employment in Australia continues to be debated, it is widely agreed that casual employment has increased over the last decade and will continue to do so. (End note 1) (End note 4)

In 2004, 26% of employees were casual, compared with 23% in 1994 (graph 6.29).

Most of this increase occurred prior to 1998, with the proportion remaining relatively stable since then.

There has also been an increase in the number of people employed in casual jobs from 1.4 million in 1994 to 2.0 million in 2004.
Source.

Casual employment in Australia has risen by a mere 3% over a ten-year period, and is still significantly lower than the 30-40% claimed by jad n rich.

Not only that, but most of this increase occurred before 1998, and therefore cannot be blamed on the recent changes to industrial relations legislation. Finally (and perhaps most significantly), the figure remains steady; it is not proceeding in great leaps and bounds, but rising at a slow and steady pace.

Further details of casual employment in Australia are equally enlightening:

The common understanding of casual employment is that it is short-term or irregular, but often this is not the case. Many casuals have long-term and regular jobs.

In August 2004, 55% of the 2.0 million casual employees in Australia had been with their employer for 12 months or more, compared with 83% of the 5.7 million ongoing employees.

There is a strong link between working part-time hours (less than 35 hours a week in all jobs) and working as a casual employee.

In 2004, 69% of casual employees worked part time, compared with 15% of ongoing employees.
The overwhelming majority of casual workers are part time workers, and more than half of these have been with their employer for at least twelve months.

What sort of work is performed by these casual employees? Exactly the sort that you would expect:

The industries and occupations in which casuals are employed tend to offer jobs which are part time and jobs which require lower levels of skill.

Employers in these industries may need a workforce which is flexible to cover the seasonal nature of the job, or the daily variations in workload (such as more staff needed at mealtimes in cafes and restaurants). (End note 1)

These types of jobs attract younger workers as they offer the opportunity to gain work experience and the flexibility to combine work and study. Women are also attracted to these types of jobs in order to combine work and family responsibilities. (End note 1)
Anyone fearing that they will arrive in Australia only to find that well-qualified professionals are being routinely forced into casual work with few (or no) entitlements, can set their minds at rest.

For employment statistics overall, click here. For details of employees with and without paid leave entitlements, click here.

:)

jad n rich May 17th 2006 9:21 am

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[QUOTE=Vash the Stampede]I'd like to address the claim by jad n rich
What sort of work is performed by these casual employees? Exactly the sort that you would expect:


:zzz: So casual workers are 26% not 30% :rolleyes: BIG deal.

The 30/40% was written because the figure has varied in many reports in newpapers, union articles, news items, you have course have chosen one report which shows the figure you like.

Maybe instead of misleading people that EVERYTHING in australia is some wonderful pardise, you want to get into 2006 and accept workplace reform has happened. NOT that I said that had caused casual work %'s I said BEFORE. Stop twisting stuff.

Open your eyes to australia 2006 not whenever you left, did you ever get out and look around anyway?, you certainly dont in the UK do you :rolleyes:

You dont even have to go far, read the amount of posts on here where poeple (including teachers/nurses etc ) have found casual work is the way they are now employed, and how many have commented that even long term employees are casual despite not wanting to be.

Australia itself has claimed it has the highest casual workforce, what are they lying then :rolleyes:

Your becoming nothing but a nitpicking old troll vash, get out there and take up bingo or something. :p

And vash most of the figures you post are a load of old tosh anyway, what about the other day when you claimed the pregnancy rate in UK was 78 per thou when it was actually 24 per thou ;) you do it all the time.

Vash the Stampede May 17th 2006 9:32 am

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Hah! I knew that would get a result! :D

You know, it's always best to enter these discussions with facts on one's side... ;)

jad n rich May 17th 2006 9:36 am

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Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
Hah! I knew that would get a result!

You know, it's always best to enter these discussions with facts on one's side... ;)


What like your UK pregnancy rate figures :rolleyes: They were backed up by your "facts" ;)

Spin spin more spin than a washing machine :zzz: :zzz:

Amazulu May 17th 2006 12:05 pm

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Originally Posted by KAYJAS
Hi Steve - Snap, I'm a mechanical design engineer as well, having served an apprenticeship 20 odd years ago and worked my way through the ranks. I now create 3D models and 2D drawings on cad.
I don't have a degree but I do have an HNC. Were you sought after or have you had problems getting a job? :)

Engineering salaries in Perth are the highest in Australia & always have been (I worked with a guy who was making $4k/week in the mid 80's, when a good house cost $50k!). When I was working in Sydney in the mid 90's, guys in Perth were making much more.

5teve May 17th 2006 1:48 pm

Re: Wage drop!!
 

Originally Posted by KAYJAS
Hi Steve - Snap, I'm a mechanical design engineer as well, having served an apprenticeship 20 odd years ago and worked my way through the ranks. I now create 3D models and 2D drawings on cad.
I don't have a degree but I do have an HNC. Were you sought after or have you had problems getting a job? :)

hi

well its a short story but here goes... i have 10 years experience... pretty wide ranging of design... using 3d CAD packages (all sorts) i saw a job advertised in derby (UK) for a design engineer but must have rail experience.. the girlfriend persuaded me to go for the job... so met up with the UK rep who arranged and interview to happen whilst we were here on a reccy trip. Ideal we thought... hopefully as they were looking to recruit in the UK they wouldnt have any problem with our plans to come over in september!

anyway we got here and i went for an interview on the tuesday... MD wasnt in but they asked if i could come back on the thursday too.. so i did... i walked in, sat down, the MD introduced himself... and then said.. soo.. when can you start! took me by surprise.. but basically they wanted me to start as soon as but i couldnt start till september (bearing in mind this was february!)

i was surprised at just how willing to compromise they were... the agreement that we reached is that i would come over for 6 weeks (im here doing that now).. to learn about the company and its work... then go back to the UK to finish all the housey type stuff... and work for the company while im there.. they would pay me as a UK contractor, and all will be happy.. well thats the theory! its worked out well for them as they have just had a job turn up in the UK so i will be working on that primarily.

i guess in short... the answer is ... no i didnt have a problem getting a job.. as long as you have good wide ranging experience.. and your happy doing 'big' type engineering (its different for me.. but i still enjoy it) then you should be fine... there are more high tech and small goods related industries over sydney way (also could of had 2 jobs there) but as i said.. wages werent up to much.

by the way.. DONT go into aerospace... mechanical engineers in that industry seem to have the lowest average pay of all of them... bit scarey really!

if i can help in any other way... just shout!

thanks

Steve

dc1 May 17th 2006 5:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
Vash, is it unusual to receive 5 weeks hols in Oz, especially in private companies? It seems most places only give 4 - can you negotiate more?

I currently get 5 weeks and I would prefer not to spend less time with my children in Oz.

Thanks

Buzzy

In Oz most jobs offer 4 weeks only, I negotiated additional pay so that I could take upto 8 additional days leave without pay. so I have upto 28 days holiday.

dc

Hereandnow May 17th 2006 6:00 pm

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Originally Posted by littlenick
Hi just been reading your post and was interested to see that your hubby was in the Navy. My hubby is just coming to the end of his time and we are looking at moving out to oz. Did you apply on your skills and how long did it take you? He is also thinking of joining Oz Navy to make the move over (not that I want to be left on my own for months).
Thanks for any info you have.


Hi, My hubby has joined the RAN after 23 years in the British Navy. We came over last October and the whole process took about 14 months. He has taken a drop in rank and a drop in salary but he has his pension so its been fine. If I can answer any questions you may have feel free to ask.

KAYJAS May 18th 2006 5:36 am

Re: Wage drop!!
 

Originally Posted by 5teve
hi

well its a short story but here goes... i have 10 years experience... pretty wide ranging of design... using 3d CAD packages (all sorts) i saw a job advertised in derby (UK) for a design engineer but must have rail experience.. the girlfriend persuaded me to go for the job... so met up with the UK rep who arranged and interview to happen whilst we were here on a reccy trip. Ideal we thought... hopefully as they were looking to recruit in the UK they wouldnt have any problem with our plans to come over in september!

anyway we got here and i went for an interview on the tuesday... MD wasnt in but they asked if i could come back on the thursday too.. so i did... i walked in, sat down, the MD introduced himself... and then said.. soo.. when can you start! took me by surprise.. but basically they wanted me to start as soon as but i couldnt start till september (bearing in mind this was february!)

i was surprised at just how willing to compromise they were... the agreement that we reached is that i would come over for 6 weeks (im here doing that now).. to learn about the company and its work... then go back to the UK to finish all the housey type stuff... and work for the company while im there.. they would pay me as a UK contractor, and all will be happy.. well thats the theory! its worked out well for them as they have just had a job turn up in the UK so i will be working on that primarily.

i guess in short... the answer is ... no i didnt have a problem getting a job.. as long as you have good wide ranging experience.. and your happy doing 'big' type engineering (its different for me.. but i still enjoy it) then you should be fine... there are more high tech and small goods related industries over sydney way (also could of had 2 jobs there) but as i said.. wages werent up to much.

by the way.. DONT go into aerospace... mechanical engineers in that industry seem to have the lowest average pay of all of them... bit scarey really!

if i can help in any other way... just shout!

thanks

Steve

Hi Steve - Sounds like you have struck gold with the job!! Funny thing is I am specialised in Aircraft seating design which includes all forms of testing (static & dynamic). We want to go to Adelaide and so far I can not find any company that manufactures aircraft seats. I can however put my talents to most engineering design, it's like making cakes but using different ingredients!!
What cad packages are typically used? I've used catia V4 some years ago but mainly use Onespace modelling (co-create).

littlenick May 18th 2006 7:01 am

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Originally Posted by Hereandnow
Hi, My hubby has joined the RAN after 23 years in the British Navy. We came over last October and the whole process took about 14 months. He has taken a drop in rank and a drop in salary but he has his pension so its been fine. If I can answer any questions you may have feel free to ask.

Yipee at last I've found someone who has gone the RAN route. How are you finding everything? Does he spend months away as in the Royal Navy? I'm sorry about all the questions but I'm a bit worried about him being away for months on end and being half way round the world. I really want to move to Oz and so do the boys and I know that I would cope with it all as I have done over the many years in the uk. What does your hubby do, if you don't mind me asking. I didn't realise it would take so long for the move over. One more question when did you actually start applying, my hubbys due out in Feb 07 and he has sent paperwork requested by them and they received it all on 17 April but we have not heard anything yet.

Thanks so much for your time and you'll probably be sick of me by the time we hear anything :D

Nicky

5teve May 18th 2006 12:49 pm

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Originally Posted by KAYJAS
Hi Steve - Sounds like you have struck gold with the job!! Funny thing is I am specialised in Aircraft seating design which includes all forms of testing (static & dynamic). We want to go to Adelaide and so far I can not find any company that manufactures aircraft seats. I can however put my talents to most engineering design, it's like making cakes but using different ingredients!!
What cad packages are typically used? I've used catia V4 some years ago but mainly use Onespace modelling (co-create).

i cant tell you what is typically used as i have only seem a few companies but its the usual candidates... pro-e... solidworks.. solid edge.. etc... im using mechanical desktop but trying like mad to persuade them to use Inventor that they have! i havent seen any catia or onespace (although onespace from my experience is a bit of an unusual package to see!)

as you say its like making cakes... so my advice is DONT go into aerospace ;) im not sure what is round adelaide.. but the motor manufacturers are round melbourne.. so maybe some good prospects there for you... and adelaide isnt too far from there so maybe some suppliers are nearby? i think looking for aircraft seat manufacturers may be a little specific tho :)

from the mining point of view.. (or at least the company im working for) they dont seem to have the right attitude toward CAD yet.. most places i have worked realise the value of it.. this company just uses it as minimally as it can... not realising the benefits it can give them... so my aim is to increase awareness and usage (and of course doing things properly!!!)

hope this helps... again if you need anything... just shout!

Thanks

Steve

tinaj May 18th 2006 3:45 pm

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98% can't afford to buy bananas, 8% are paid in fresh vegetables, and 19% live in lakes or shoeboxes in the middle of the road.

It's all so terrible, I think I'll have to remain in the UK for the rest of my life. :)[/QUOTE]

Not surprising really at $8.99 a kilo! And we thought lettuces were expensive :scared:

phoenixinoz May 18th 2006 8:25 pm

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Originally Posted by tinaj
Not surprising really at $8.99 a kilo! And we thought lettuces were expensive :scared:

Jeez....for gawds sake don't mention the lettuces:eek: :eek: :eek:

















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