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Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by kiwichild
Anyone stop to consider that our teeth are actually designed to rip, chew and grind? and that to live healthily as a vegetarian or vegan requires a huge amount of dietary planning to ensure an adequate nutritional level is met?
The omnivore is the natural state for human beings. Our ancestors were initally hunters and only became gatherers when necessary to supplement the diet. In many parts of the world many crops were not native but introduced, however animal protein was everywhere. Animal protein is the only complete protein (providing all 10 essential amino acids) and red meat, very high levels of iron and and other minerals. Beans on toast is also a complete protein meal. By combining the correct foods its not hard to get all the essential nutrients. Even meat-eaters have to balance their food for optimum health. Our ancestors lived in caves but that doesn't mean I'm going to. |
Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by JaneandJim
Our ancestors lived in caves but that doesn't mean I'm going to.
Mrs JTL |
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Originally Posted by kiwichild
Anyone stop to consider that our teeth are actually designed to rip, chew and grind? and that to live healthily as a vegetarian or vegan requires a huge amount of dietary planning to ensure an adequate nutritional level is met?
The omnivore is the natural state for human beings. Our ancestors were initally hunters and only became gatherers when necessary to supplement the diet. In many parts of the world many crops were not native but introduced, however animal protein was everywhere. Animal protein is the only complete protein (providing all 10 essential amino acids) and red meat, very high levels of iron and and other minerals. 1) I have attached a picture of the teeth of a baboon, that's an omnivore 2) Vegetarians live longer, Natural selection is the law of evolution 3) And? along with Iron and Protein in meat comes animal fat, cholestrol, hormones, antibiotics and chemicals. There is no nutrition that a meat eater can get that a vegetarian can't. My husband suffered from anaemia before becoming a vegetarian, guess what..he doesn't anymore. Do some research into what is considered natures "Super foods", very little/ no meat there. As my hindu friend said, there is nothing that a meat-eater can say to a vegetarian, we just know. |
Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by Shellfish
Oh, you've opened a can of worms here!
1) I have attached a picture of the teeth of a baboon, that's an omnivore 2) Vegetarians live longer, Natural selection is the law of evolution 3) And? along with Iron and Protein in meat comes animal fat, cholestrol, hormones, antibiotics and chemicals. There is no nutrition that a meat eater can get that a vegetarian can't. My husband suffered from anaemia before becoming a vegetarian, guess what..he doesn't anymore. Do some research into what is considered natures "Super foods", very little/ no meat there. As my hindu friend said, there is nothing that a meat-eater can say to a vegetarian, we just know. Recent studies at Curtin university claim benefits from the fat within meat tissues. CSIRO claim animal protein to be beneficial. Cholesterol is a misnomer for most people. The real issue is there is consumption of saturated fats, and ocne you trim most fat off most meat, meat isn't the problem. The over consumption of butter and full fat cheeses and cream is more a concern. Also don't forget the role of transfatty acids in heart disease. Fish and seafood contain omega 3 and 6 essential fatty acids. The problem with anti-biotics is going to be addressed by government I believe. You can buy organic chickens. As for other meats I am not sure that anti biotics are used on them. I don't eat animal protein everyday but I do eat it most days, other times I eat fish or even have a vegetarian meal. Personally I think what anyone else eats is their business. I just find it annoying when some vegos or vegans try to convert the rest of us to their lifestyle choice. |
Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by kiwichild
Personally I think what anyone else eats is their business. I just find it annoying when some vegos or vegans try to convert the rest of us to their lifestyle choice.
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Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by JaneandJim
Thats not the message you sent in your original post. Its equally annoying when meat-eaters tell vegetarians they should eat meat.
Hope you don't mind me joining in this discussion. We are emigrating later this year and one of the things I will miss about living in the Uk is QUORN. You can buy it everywhere here, it tastes fab, even 'meat eaters' seem to like it and it makes being a veggie (my definition is no meat or fish) so much easier. I was in Sydney last year and couldn't buy it anywhere. Has anyone in Oz seen it for sale anywhere? In the UK there are QUORN sausages, pies, chunks, mince, 'fillets', etc. My 18 month old baby and I eat it about 3 times a week and its a great source of protein for vegetarians (it kind of tastes / has the texture of chicken but without the dead animal thing going on..) |
Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by BillandAbby
Hope you don't mind me joining in this discussion. We are emigrating later this year and one of the things I will miss about living in the Uk is QUORN. You can buy it everywhere here, it tastes fab, even 'meat eaters' seem to like it and it makes being a veggie (my definition is no meat or fish) so much easier. I was in Sydney last year and couldn't buy it anywhere.
Has anyone in Oz seen it for sale anywhere? In the UK there are QUORN sausages, pies, chunks, mince, 'fillets', etc. My 18 month old baby and I eat it about 3 times a week and its a great source of protein for vegetarians (it kind of tastes / has the texture of chicken but without the dead animal thing going on..) Lou xx |
Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by kiwichild
The so called super foods are a controversial subject. I am not saying that vegetarianism cannot be a healthy diet but when you exclude certain food groups you do need to see that you don't miss out on certain vitamins and minerals.
Recent studies at Curtin university claim benefits from the fat within meat tissues. CSIRO claim animal protein to be beneficial. Cholesterol is a misnomer for most people. The real issue is there is consumption of saturated fats, and ocne you trim most fat off most meat, meat isn't the problem. The over consumption of butter and full fat cheeses and cream is more a concern. Also don't forget the role of transfatty acids in heart disease. Fish and seafood contain omega 3 and 6 essential fatty acids. The problem with anti-biotics is going to be addressed by government I believe. You can buy organic chickens. As for other meats I am not sure that anti biotics are used on them. I don't eat animal protein everyday but I do eat it most days, other times I eat fish or even have a vegetarian meal. Personally I think what anyone else eats is their business. I just find it annoying when some vegos or vegans try to convert the rest of us to their lifestyle choice. Don't quite understand this 'controversy' of superfoods. Spinach, broccoli, Soya/Tofu (which by the way is a complete protein), tomatoes are some of the most nutritious foods available, this is a fact. If you want to talk controvery, then lets talk about the CSIRO diet which surprise surprise, was partly funded by Meat and Livestock Australia. May I remind you that this 'discussion' was started by your good self. Meat eaters always complain that vegos try and convert them and are the first to give me a lecture on why I should be eating meat. :rolleyes: Anyway, I could discuss this all day but I think we are going to have to agree to disagree |
Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by charles.edington
I'm with you on this one - not for me so won't get into the argument (I eat beans/lentils etc) but I have an 8 year old who is sooo picky about food and is also a vegetarian - she won't eat most veg, most fruit, lentils, beans or anything 'mixed up'. She will eat Quorn - what am I going to do with her?
Lou xx |
Re: Vegertarians
You can't buy Quorn anywhere in Australia. As it is mushroom based and a fungi it is not allowed to be imported in apparently.I miss it too-sanitarium products just are not the same !
Originally Posted by BillandAbby
Hope you don't mind me joining in this discussion. We are emigrating later this year and one of the things I will miss about living in the Uk is QUORN. You can buy it everywhere here, it tastes fab, even 'meat eaters' seem to like it and it makes being a veggie (my definition is no meat or fish) so much easier. I was in Sydney last year and couldn't buy it anywhere.
Has anyone in Oz seen it for sale anywhere? In the UK there are QUORN sausages, pies, chunks, mince, 'fillets', etc. My 18 month old baby and I eat it about 3 times a week and its a great source of protein for vegetarians (it kind of tastes / has the texture of chicken but without the dead animal thing going on..) |
Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by Shellfish
Which minerals am I missing? I get my omega 3's from Linseed, Canola oil, walnuts, avocado and eggs (which I do eat) etc
Don't quite understand this 'controversy' of superfoods. Spinach, broccoli, Soya/Tofu (which by the way is a complete protein), tomatoes are some of the most nutritious foods available, this is a fact. If you want to talk controvery, then lets talk about the CSIRO diet which surprise surprise, was partly funded by Meat and Livestock Australia. May I remind you that this 'discussion' was started by your good self. Meat eaters always complain that vegos try and convert them and are the first to give me a lecture on why I should be eating meat. :rolleyes: Anyway, I could discuss this all day but I think we are going to have to agree to disagree |
Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by Shellfish
Which minerals am I missing? I get my omega 3's from Linseed, Canola oil, walnuts, avocado and eggs (which I do eat) etc
Don't quite understand this 'controversy' of superfoods. Spinach, broccoli, Soya/Tofu (which by the way is a complete protein), tomatoes are some of the most nutritious foods available, this is a fact. If you want to talk controvery, then lets talk about the CSIRO diet which surprise surprise, was partly funded by Meat and Livestock Australia. The CSIRO gain external funding from various sources as do hospitals and other organisations. They do however have an obligation not to distort or otherwise misrepresent their findings. There whole focus is science, not marketing or shareholder dividends. As one of those involved in the development of the CSIRO diet pointed out recently, when asked to comment on Dr Rosemary Stanton's ( A Nutritionist). " Well we are scientists, nutritionists and dieticians aren't". Quite a good answer I thought. |
Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by kiwichild
As one of those involved in the development of the CSIRO diet pointed out recently, when asked to comment on Dr Rosemary Stanton's ( A Nutritionist).
" Well we are scientists, nutritionists and dieticians aren't". Quite a good answer I thought. Even you have to agree that this particular nutritionist is also, in fact, a scientist. Please get your facts right before spouting off. |
Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by kiwichild
The CSIRO gain external funding from various sources as do hospitals and other organisations. They do however have an obligation not to distort or otherwise misrepresent their findings.
At the end of the day, if I was invited round to dinner by a nutritionist and a scientist, I know which one I would pick. |
Re: Vegertarians
Originally Posted by Shellfish
At the end of the day, if I was invited round to dinner by a nutritionist and a scientist, I know which one I would pick.
No my friend, they come from research scientists. :D |
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