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mindblower Feb 27th 2010 3:38 pm

UK Labour Win ?
 
Can't beleive polls showing Labour may win, what an utter disaster for UK.

:blink:

Vash the Stampede Feb 27th 2010 3:40 pm

Re: UK Labour Win ?
 
The Tories still haven't managed to produce a coherent policy platform. All they've got at the moment is "We're not Labour." :blink:

Very different story in Australia, where the Liberal/Labor gap is narrowing. Rudd is openly concerned about the results of the next election and rightly so.

Petals Feb 27th 2010 3:59 pm

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If everyone had to vote in the UK and everyone had to vote in USA like here might be a different outcome.

Labour here always has more votes but with our preferential system we get surprises.

Wol Feb 27th 2010 4:17 pm

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I certainly don't think the UK election is a done deal. The Tories have spent so long pretending to be Socialists without being Socialists that their natural constituency is fragmented.

No-one wants Brown and his disastrous agenda to carry on but a lot of people are thinking that Cameron is basically trying to be Brown Lite to get elected, so why not register a protest and vote for UKIP or the Raving Monsters.

It's all going to be very interesting (in the Chinese sense).

mohogony Feb 27th 2010 4:51 pm

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Originally Posted by mindblower (Post 8380733)
Can't beleive polls showing Labour may win, what an utter disaster for UK.

:blink:

l guess there will be alot more people heading for OZ.

northernbird Feb 27th 2010 5:06 pm

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Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 8380844)
l guess there will be alot more people heading for OZ.

No there won't, the pound has shit itself, won't recover and people won't be able to afford it.

renth Feb 27th 2010 5:08 pm

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Originally Posted by northernbird (Post 8380864)
No there won't, the pound has shit itself, won't recover and people won't be able to afford it.

I reckon there will still be plenty coming but they will be more like refugees rather than the cashed up Brits of the last 10 years or so.

northernbird Feb 27th 2010 5:10 pm

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 8380867)
I reckon there will still be plenty coming but they will be more like refugees rather than the cashed up Brits of the last 10 years or so.

More bloody whingers then :)

mindblower Feb 27th 2010 6:43 pm

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Originally Posted by northernbird (Post 8380872)
More bloody whingers then :)

I think Cameron needs to straight talk like Tony Abbott ..lol

Bermudashorts Feb 27th 2010 6:47 pm

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If labour win I shall certainly expediate my move to Australia, regardless of FX rate.

mohogony Feb 27th 2010 7:18 pm

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Originally Posted by northernbird (Post 8380864)
No there won't, the pound has shit itself, won't recover and people won't be able to afford it.

l guess they will come to OZ as boat people then :unsure:

JAJ Feb 28th 2010 12:28 am

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Originally Posted by mindblower (Post 8380980)
I think Cameron needs to straight talk like Tony Abbott

William Hague "talked straight" back in 2001 and the county was so infatuated with Blair that it didn't listen.

Amazulu Feb 28th 2010 12:48 am

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Heaven help them, and their economy, and their currency.......

spartacus Feb 28th 2010 12:56 am

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Originally Posted by mindblower (Post 8380980)
I think Cameron needs to straight talk like Tony Abbott ..lol

Talk straight? . . . Abbott he can barely walk straight . . .

. . . anyways I hope Gordon does get back in. He hasn't had long enough in the job, he needs at least another term to attain his aim of pound-dollar parity . . . then we can all **** off back home.

Keep up the good work Agent Brown . . .

jd6969uk Feb 28th 2010 1:29 am

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I cannot believe that people would really want to see Crash Gordon back in power for another 4 or 5 yrs.

I'm not saying that I expect anything much better from the Tories but the UK definitely needs a change and some fresh blood.

Brown has been basically in charge of the books for 13 years now and I honestly don't think the country has been better off for it. The outlook for the future is looking pretty dire - especially for the next generation.

It doesn't really matter to me and my family as we will be moving to OZ in June on a 175 but if the voters put Brown back in charge I guess the old saying "you get the govt you deserve" really iis true!

DibDob Feb 28th 2010 3:36 am

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I really hope Labour do win, i cannot imagine "call me Dave" running the country or even running a tuck shop, dear me no thanks.

Wol Feb 28th 2010 9:28 am

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Originally Posted by DibDob (Post 8381948)
I really hope Labour do win, i cannot imagine "call me Dave" running the country or even running a tuck shop, dear me no thanks.

Yes, Gordon might as well carry on and finish the job.

Hutch Feb 28th 2010 10:45 am

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If Labour win I might well consider emigrating back to the UK.

slapphead_otool Feb 28th 2010 11:04 am

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As I pointed out in another thread, of 31 polls conducted already this year Labour have an average of 31`% of the votes. That is just 4% less than the 35% of votes that they had in 2005. If they can get to 32% the chances of a hung parliament are very high.

Even after 13 years and a country and economy that many people think is in a mess, there is no major swing to the Conservative party.

Sadly, the biggest danger now is in the marginalisation of the voting. Right wing (and to some extent far left wing) parties will hold the balance of power. In some ways this might be a good thing. It may result in at least some clear direction forward.

There is one even more scary potential outcome, albeit remote at the moment. The UK is becoming similar to Germany in the 1920s. Deep in the poo.

Hitler originally rose to power as part of a coalition government in January 1933, a union between the Deutschnationale Volkspartei and the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, to counter the power of the communist KPD party.

There is a strong analogy with a coalition government formed between a far right party and the mainstream right wing party (the Conservatives) leading to a far right ruling government.

On the other hand, if it fixes the mess…..

jayr Feb 28th 2010 1:23 pm

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I am no expert on European history but methinks your analogy to Germany of the 1920's is a number of steps too far surely...


Originally Posted by slapphead_otool (Post 8382820)
There is one even more scary potential outcome, albeit remote at the moment. The UK is becoming similar to Germany in the 1920s. Deep in the poo.

Hitler originally rose to power as part of a coalition government in January 1933, a union between the Deutschnationale Volkspartei and the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, to counter the power of the communist KPD party.

There is a strong analogy with a coalition government formed between a far right party and the mainstream right wing party (the Conservatives) leading to a far right ruling government.

On the other hand, if it fixes the mess…..


slapphead_otool Feb 28th 2010 1:35 pm

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Originally Posted by jayr (Post 8382987)
I am no expert on European history but methinks your analogy to Germany of the 1920's is a number of steps too far surely...

As I said, potential, albeit remote.

But the current feelings of many in the UK seem to align with those of Germany in the 1920s: the poor economy, fear of ruin, blame upon migrants etc.

And we have the polarisation of the two major political spectrums, the left and right, with the real power then falling into the hands of minority extremist parties.

I think most Germans in 1928 had no idea how the country was heading when they faced similar elections, and when the Nazi party took power they found that most things got better.

Just food for thought.

I would much rather a moderate party win in its own right, rather than from a coalition with an extremist party. And yet that may well happen this year in the UK.

renth Feb 28th 2010 1:39 pm

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Much as it pains me, it's probably better for the UK for Labour do get a decent election win rather than a hung parliament, no overall control.

Hino Feb 28th 2010 2:17 pm

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The government that robs Peter to pay Paul, will always be able to depend on the support of Paul.

I really can't see a way out for UK at the moment, up to it's eyes in debt, having to borrow more every month in order just to stay afloat and every month having less and less tax income to support the debt and the associated interest payments.

To make matters even worse there is now an election looming, and while the financial world waits, less than patiently, for UK to propose a plan to get it's finances back on track. None of the political parties are willing to risk giving a detailed manifesto in regards to debt management, as to do so would make them unelectable.

What party has a chance of gaining power with a proposed agenda of reduced borrowing, increased VAT and other taxes, public service pension, pay and job cuts. Reduced welfare and pension benefits and a general reduction in living standards for the whole of the country ?

Yet this is the only medicine that will cure the patient.

I'm afraid that the UK is looking at the dire prospect of either another term of Nu Labour without the required majority to govern effectively, or a hung parliament and the country being 'governed' by a committee.

The election is coming soon and "Paul" is already sharpening his voting pencil :)

moneypenny20 Feb 28th 2010 2:20 pm

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When is the election?

JAJ Feb 28th 2010 2:27 pm

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The concern has to be that if the UK continues on the same path - economically, socially and politically - that it has been on since 1997, what kind of country will it be in 2025?

The policy of "quantitative easing" - ie, printing money - may have staved off the worst of what the recession could have been. However, as soon as economic growth returns, what will happen to inflation and interest rates?

slapphead_otool Feb 28th 2010 2:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Hino (Post 8383062)
The government that robs Peter to pay Paul, will always be able to depend on the support of Paul.

I really can't see a way out for UK at the moment, up to it's eyes in debt, having to borrow more every month in order just to stay afloat and every month having less and less tax income to support the debt and the associated interest payments.

To make matters even worse there is now an election looming, and while the financial world waits, less than patiently, for UK to propose a plan to get it's finances back on track. None of the political parties are willing to risk giving a detailed manifesto in regards to debt management, as to do so would make them unelectable.

What party has a chance of gaining power with a proposed agenda of reduced borrowing, increased VAT and other taxes, public service pension, pay and job cuts. Reduced welfare and pension benefits and a general reduction in living standards for the whole of the country ?

Yet this is the only medicine that will cure the patient.

I'm afraid that the UK is looking at the dire prospect of either another term of Nu Labour without the required majority to govern effectively, or a hung parliament and the country being 'governed' by a committee.

The election is coming soon and "Paul" is already sharpening his voting pencil :)

Sadly Hino, if I had to predict the future that’s what I would say.

Right now the UK is living the life of superpower. 2 new massive aircraft carriers, troops all over the world fighting battles. Migrants flicking in to enjoy the good life, a health system that is still the envy of the world etc.

Unfortunately we stopped earning the superpower income years ago.

My guess is the next term, whoever wins, will change the UK for all times sake. Taxes and VAT will HAVE to rise, the public service and the services it provides (eg NHS) MUST suffer swinging cutbacks. Wages and living standards HAVE to go down.

The UK is going to become like a second rate European power like Spain or Portugal. There is nothing wrong with that, but we deserved so much better.

It’s not going to be nice for anyone, and I am so DAMN angry that my homeland has ended up in this mess. I fell like getting on a plane and shooting the idiots who put the place in this mess. :(

spartacus Feb 28th 2010 2:37 pm

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Originally Posted by slapphead_otool (Post 8383078)
Sadly Hino, if I had to predict the future that’s what I would say.

Right now the UK is living the life of superpower. 2 new massive aircraft carriers, troops all over the world fighting battles. Migrants flicking in to enjoy the good life, a health system that is still the envy of the world etc.

Unfortunately we stopped earning the superpower income years ago.

My guess is the next term, whoever wins, will change the UK for all times sake. Taxes and VAT will HAVE to rise, the public service and the services it provides (eg NHS) MUST suffer swinging cutbacks. Wages and living standards HAVE to go down.

The UK is going to become like a second rate European power like Spain or Portugal. There is nothing wrong with that, but we deserved so much better.

It’s not going to be nice for anyone, and I am so DAMN angry that my homeland has ended up in this mess. I fell like getting on a plane and shooting the idiots who put the place in this mess. :(

Now that sort of 'crazy' talk never achieved anything . . .

slapphead_otool Feb 28th 2010 2:45 pm

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Originally Posted by spartacus (Post 8383087)
Now that sort of 'crazy' talk never achieved anything . . .

The only crazy thing is it hasn’t happened already.

We really should hold politicians accountable one way or another. :frown:

jjinoz Feb 28th 2010 5:39 pm

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Originally Posted by spartacus (Post 8381661)
Talk straight? . . . Abbott he can barely walk straight . . .

. . . anyways I hope Gordon does get back in. He hasn't had long enough in the job, he needs at least another term to attain his aim of pound-dollar parity . . . then we can all **** off back home.

Keep up the good work Agent Brown . . .

ooh please let him win, i,ll pay for spartacus and all his whinging mates to f##k off back lol:thumbup:

jjinoz Feb 28th 2010 5:40 pm

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spatacus what exactly did you come here for, what dont you like and why the hell are you still here.... grow some mate... make the move back!!!

Centurion Feb 28th 2010 5:58 pm

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Originally Posted by jjinoz (Post 8383359)
spatacus what exactly did you come here for, what dont you like and why the hell are you still here.... grow some mate... make the move back!!!

Welcome to BE. Play nice or don't play at all please. These boards represent the shared and unique experiences of people who want to move to Australia, the people who have, and the people who want to return to the UK.

See http://britishexpats.com/site-rules/ Rule 1.

jjinoz Feb 28th 2010 6:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Centurion (Post 8383384)
Welcome to BE. Play nice or don't play at all please. These boards represent the shared and unique experiences of people who want to move to Australia, the people who have, and the people who want to return to the UK.

See http://britishexpats.com/site-rules/ Rule 1.

:eek: thanks for the advice...please dont shoot me:blink: i,ll take it on board

paulry Feb 28th 2010 6:35 pm

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 8383013)
Much as it pains me, it's probably better for the UK for Labour do get a decent election win rather than a hung parliament, no overall control.

Another 5 years of Labour control would be a disaster.

paulry Feb 28th 2010 6:41 pm

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Originally Posted by slapphead_otool (Post 8383078)
Sadly Hino, if I had to predict the future that’s what I would say.

Right now the UK is living the life of superpower. 2 new massive aircraft carriers, troops all over the world fighting battles. Migrants flicking in to enjoy the good life, a health system that is still the envy of the world etc.

Unfortunately we stopped earning the superpower income years ago.

My guess is the next term, whoever wins, will change the UK for all times sake. Taxes and VAT will HAVE to rise, the public service and the services it provides (eg NHS) MUST suffer swinging cutbacks. Wages and living standards HAVE to go down.

The UK is going to become like a second rate European power like Spain or Portugal. There is nothing wrong with that, but we deserved so much better.

It’s not going to be nice for anyone, and I am so DAMN angry that my homeland has ended up in this mess. I fell like getting on a plane and shooting the idiots who put the place in this mess. :(

I share your anger but who is to blame?

Edit: Surely it's us voters?

renth Feb 28th 2010 6:46 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 8383445)
Another 5 years of Labour control would be a disaster.

I agree, in fact it simply doesn't look good. Shame the Tories don't have the cojones to tell the electorate what they will have to do to try to fix Flash Gordon's mess.

Saw this on the Daily Telegraph site, comments from a reader: Hard to see Cameron getting in.

"Just look at the vested interests that will happily have Labour back: - voters whose families depend on central and local governmet largesse, quangos, politicians, bureaucrats, bankers, undeserving CEOs and Boards, the pension industry thieves, NHS, Education system, university students not wanting to pay fees, home-'owners' happily borrowing at 3%, buy to let landlords and other older homeowners screwing the young, NIMBYs, low income immigrants waiting to latch on to British passports for the extended family, immigrant spongers and last but not least the Great British benefits class scroungers."

paulry Feb 28th 2010 6:47 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 8383064)
When is the election?

They haven't called it yet but it's been suggested that it'll be 6th May

renth Feb 28th 2010 6:50 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 8383463)
They haven't called it yet but it's been suggested that it'll be 6th May

That's the same day as the local elections, but isn't there going to have to be a budget before then, or some economic news that will probably be bad??

I reckon he's going to call a snap election in April. Hoping so anyway as I'll be in the UK and I'm an election nerd, I love the swingometers and all that stuff.

slapphead_otool Feb 28th 2010 6:50 pm

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 8383462)
I agree, in fact it simply doesn't look good. Shame the Tories don't have the cojones to tell the electorate what they will have to do to try to fix Flash Gordon's mess.

Saw this on the Daily Telegraph site, comments from a reader: Hard to see Cameron getting in.

"Just look at the vested interests that will happily have Labour back: - voters whose families depend on central and local governmet largesse, quangos, politicians, bureaucrats, bankers, undeserving CEOs and Boards, the pension industry thieves, NHS, Education system, university students not wanting to pay fees, home-'owners' happily borrowing at 3%, buy to let landlords and other older homeowners screwing the young, NIMBYs, low income immigrants waiting to latch on to British passports for the extended family, immigrant spongers and last but not least the Great British benefits class scroungers."



My guess is that whoever wins will have to impose draconian changes that will be hugely unpopular.

They will be an unpopular one term government.

Its one election the Conservatives don’t want to win. One more electoral term and Labour will be confined to the dustbin of history.

moneypenny20 Feb 28th 2010 6:59 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 8383463)
They haven't called it yet but it's been suggested that it'll be 6th May


Thank you ;)


Originally Posted by renth (Post 8383467)
I love the swingometers and all that stuff.

Is Peter Snow still about?

rajj Feb 28th 2010 7:00 pm

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 8380867)
I reckon there will still be plenty coming but they will be more like refugees rather than the cashed up Brits of the last 10 years or so.

If they are 'refugees' we should send them bloody well back - the Q jumpers!:lol::D:lol:


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