Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
Jul 25th 2010, 7:06 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
I dont like either side so who am I supposed to vote for, in england I just wouldnt bother but here it is compulsory to vote, but they are all rubbish talking slimy buggers who will say anything to get in.
I dislike being forced to vote between idiot A or idiot B.
They need a monstor raving looney party, so I can vote for them.
I dislike being forced to vote between idiot A or idiot B.
They need a monstor raving looney party, so I can vote for them.
Jul 25th 2010, 7:09 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
I dont like either side so who am I supposed to vote for, in england I just wouldnt bother but here it is compulsory to vote, but they are all rubbish talking slimy buggers who will say anything to get in.
I dislike being forced to vote between idiot A or idiot B.
They need a monstor raving looney party, so I can vote for them.
I dislike being forced to vote between idiot A or idiot B.
They need a monstor raving looney party, so I can vote for them.
Jul 25th 2010, 7:10 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
I dont like either side so who am I supposed to vote for, in england I just wouldnt bother but here it is compulsory to vote, but they are all rubbish talking slimy buggers who will say anything to get in.
I dislike being forced to vote between idiot A or idiot B.
They need a monstor raving looney party, so I can vote for them.
I dislike being forced to vote between idiot A or idiot B.
They need a monstor raving looney party, so I can vote for them.
Or maybe like me you'll be watching Top Gear on Go!
Jul 25th 2010, 7:13 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
This is just plain nonsense. The liberal party are not "far right" any more than Labor is "hard left." The Liberal party is moderately right of centre. The Liberal party do not cut refugee quotas when they have government, which is what they would do if the were "hard right." They wouln't let any in. In fact under Howard, every year the numbers were increased. Same with health budget spending. Howard stopped the boats (which stops children drowning at sea) Once the decision was made to have offshore processing and to stop PR visas (which entitles refugees to welfare, medicare and subsidised housing for life) the boats stopped coming, and then kicked off once the ALp softened the laws. Have a look at this graph:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a...oward_stopped/
There was a problem. Liberals worked out how to fix it. They put the plan into action, and it worked.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a...oward_stopped/
There was a problem. Liberals worked out how to fix it. They put the plan into action, and it worked.
The graph doesn't match the number of immigrants held in detention each year. Could that be because it just stopped counting them once they were offshore....but then let them in anyway. The idea that the motivation was to stop children dying at sea is the biggest load of tosh imaginable.
Year No. of people
1997–98 2716
1998–99 3574
1999–00 8205
2000–01 7881
2001–02 7808
2002–03 6602
2003–04 6196
2004–05 7410
2005–06 6510
2006–07 4718
2007–08 4514
Last edited by fish.01; Jul 25th 2010 at 7:16 am.
Jul 25th 2010, 7:15 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
That may be some consolation but look what they did in the UK. They may be out of power for a decade but the country will never recover, it is almost bankrupt, Brussels now makes the laws and they are fighting an illegal war no-one except their old lying PM wanted. If the Greens get the balance of power it could be even worse.
Jul 25th 2010, 7:18 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
That may be some consolation but look what they did in the UK. They may be out of power for a decade but the country will never recover, it is almost bankrupt, Brussels now makes the laws and they are fighting an illegal war no-one except their old lying PM wanted. If the Greens get the balance of power it could be even worse.
Jul 25th 2010, 7:24 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
From the andrew bolt link above:
The Refugee Council of Australia says....
“In 2009, Australia received 6170 asylum applications, just 1.6% of the 377,160 applications received across 44 industrialised nations,"… “Of the 44 nations, Australia was ranked 16th overall and was 21st on a per capita basis.
“The industrialised countries with the largest number of asylum applications in 2009 were the United States (49,020), France (41,980), Canada (33,250), United Kingdom (29,840), Germany (27,650) and Sweden (24,190).
“Afghanistan was the single largest source country of people making asylum applications in industrialised countries. The 940 applications lodged in Australia by Afghans made up only 3.5% of the international total of 26,803. Afghans were four times more likely to lodge an application in Norway than in Australia.
Figures drawn from “Asylum Levels in Industrialized Countries 2009”, UNHCR
Countries of Origin of people Seeking Asylum in Australia in 2009
1. China 1,186
2. Afghanistan 940
3. Sri Lanka 553
4. Zimbabwe 344
5. Iran 303
6. Iraq 288
7. Pakistan 256
The Refugee Council of Australia says....
“In 2009, Australia received 6170 asylum applications, just 1.6% of the 377,160 applications received across 44 industrialised nations,"… “Of the 44 nations, Australia was ranked 16th overall and was 21st on a per capita basis.
“The industrialised countries with the largest number of asylum applications in 2009 were the United States (49,020), France (41,980), Canada (33,250), United Kingdom (29,840), Germany (27,650) and Sweden (24,190).
“Afghanistan was the single largest source country of people making asylum applications in industrialised countries. The 940 applications lodged in Australia by Afghans made up only 3.5% of the international total of 26,803. Afghans were four times more likely to lodge an application in Norway than in Australia.
Figures drawn from “Asylum Levels in Industrialized Countries 2009”, UNHCR
Countries of Origin of people Seeking Asylum in Australia in 2009
1. China 1,186
2. Afghanistan 940
3. Sri Lanka 553
4. Zimbabwe 344
5. Iran 303
6. Iraq 288
7. Pakistan 256
Jul 25th 2010, 7:40 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
Im a new migrant to Australia and I am very surprised to see how angry locals get about boat people! Desperate people fleeing wars, goodness. Interesting if it was 40s and boats of Jews (hypothetically) arrived would people say the same?? Interesting if the Australians turned them down what would their grandchildren think about it today??
It actually makes no difference to Australians, as we end up taking the same number, of about 13,000, whether they are boat people or via the correct channels.
Many people dislike the fact that the boat people are effectively jumping the queue.
Look at the two period of extremes:
1998-99 and 1999-2000 Before Pacific Solution
8,212 boat people arrived
15,187 refugee and SH Visa's were issued
23,399 Total + a few other types
2002-03 and 2003-04 During Pacific Solution
82 boat people arrived
24,087 refugee and SH Visa's were issued
24,169 Total + a few other types
Result, the more boat people that arrived, the less visas were issued to those in the UN refugee system.
But in total, basically the same number.
Jul 25th 2010, 7:46 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
The graph doesn't match the number of immigrants held in detention each year. Could that be because it just stopped counting them once they were offshore....but then let them in anyway. The idea that the motivation was to stop children dying at sea is the biggest load of tosh imaginable.
Year No. of people
1997–98 2716
1998–99 3574
1999–00 8205
2000–01 7881
2001–02 7808
2002–03 6602
2003–04 6196
2004–05 7410
2005–06 6510
2006–07 4718
2007–08 4514
Year No. of people
1997–98 2716
1998–99 3574
1999–00 8205
2000–01 7881
2001–02 7808
2002–03 6602
2003–04 6196
2004–05 7410
2005–06 6510
2006–07 4718
2007–08 4514
1999–00 4,175
2000–01 4,137
2001–02 3,039
2002–03 -
2003–04 82
2004–05 -
2005–06 61
2006–07 133
2007–08 25
2008–09 1,033
2009–10 (to 19th May 2010) 4,916
Many of the others would be normal visa overstayers etc. These may only be in detention for a few days before the next plane to return them.
Jul 25th 2010, 8:01 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
I dont like either side so who am I supposed to vote for, in england I just wouldnt bother but here it is compulsory to vote, but they are all rubbish talking slimy buggers who will say anything to get in.
I dislike being forced to vote between idiot A or idiot B.
They need a monstor raving looney party, so I can vote for them.
I dislike being forced to vote between idiot A or idiot B.
They need a monstor raving looney party, so I can vote for them.
Jul 25th 2010, 9:09 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
i am voting independent.
sex party gets my vote.
immigration goes pear shape, overseas students will be flocking to america or other countries due to the cuts on permanent residency or visas.
although the argument may suffice to weed out dodgy applicants, first impressions do matter.
sex party gets my vote.
immigration goes pear shape, overseas students will be flocking to america or other countries due to the cuts on permanent residency or visas.
although the argument may suffice to weed out dodgy applicants, first impressions do matter.
Jul 25th 2010, 9:16 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
The numbers that related to boat people arrivals were:
1999–00 4,175
2000–01 4,137
2001–02 3,039
2002–03 -
2003–04 82
2004–05 -
2005–06 61
2006–07 133
2007–08 25
2008–09 1,033
2009–10 (to 19th May 2010) 4,916
Many of the others would be normal visa overstayers etc. These may only be in detention for a few days before the next plane to return them.
1999–00 4,175
2000–01 4,137
2001–02 3,039
2002–03 -
2003–04 82
2004–05 -
2005–06 61
2006–07 133
2007–08 25
2008–09 1,033
2009–10 (to 19th May 2010) 4,916
Many of the others would be normal visa overstayers etc. These may only be in detention for a few days before the next plane to return them.
Jul 25th 2010, 9:18 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
Many UN recognised refugees are also in favour of sending boat people back, so that the other UN recognised refugees are not held back in the queue.
It actually makes no difference to Australians, as we end up taking the same number, of about 13,000, whether they are boat people or via the correct channels.
Many people dislike the fact that the boat people are effectively jumping the queue.
Look at the two period of extremes:
1998-99 and 1999-2000 Before Pacific Solution
8,212 boat people arrived
15,187 refugee and SH Visa's were issued
23,399 Total + a few other types
2002-03 and 2003-04 During Pacific Solution
82 boat people arrived
24,087 refugee and SH Visa's were issued
24,169 Total + a few other types
Result, the more boat people that arrived, the less visas were issued to those in the UN refugee system.
But in total, basically the same number.
It actually makes no difference to Australians, as we end up taking the same number, of about 13,000, whether they are boat people or via the correct channels.
Many people dislike the fact that the boat people are effectively jumping the queue.
Look at the two period of extremes:
1998-99 and 1999-2000 Before Pacific Solution
8,212 boat people arrived
15,187 refugee and SH Visa's were issued
23,399 Total + a few other types
2002-03 and 2003-04 During Pacific Solution
82 boat people arrived
24,087 refugee and SH Visa's were issued
24,169 Total + a few other types
Result, the more boat people that arrived, the less visas were issued to those in the UN refugee system.
But in total, basically the same number.
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/doc...dia%202010.pdf
Jul 25th 2010, 9:18 am
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Re: Tony Abbott plans to block 130,000 people from migrating to Australia
i am voting independent.
sex party gets my vote.
immigration goes pear shape, overseas students will be flocking to america or other countries due to the cuts on permanent residency or visas.
although the argument may suffice to weed out dodgy applicants, first impressions do matter.
sex party gets my vote.
immigration goes pear shape, overseas students will be flocking to america or other countries due to the cuts on permanent residency or visas.
although the argument may suffice to weed out dodgy applicants, first impressions do matter.
