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Re: And then it all went wrong!!!
Hopefully you have finished expressing yourself in my direction. As I suggested before you are ignorant of OZ and its migration system so please do not try and tell me how it was 8 years ago. Dont understand why you think entering and living in Oz was easier 8 years ago and that 9/11 has changed that. No I was not single, so who is assuming now?. If you care to read my post to noodle you will find that I agree about agencies . I have no cures my friend. Its hard enough curing my own.
Good luck to you. Originally posted by theguitardoctor Hello again...I am simply putting my point of view across, it's a forum for people to post their emigration experiences, positive or negative, though you seem to think it's some kind of platform for you to announce your almighty cures for everyone's problems. If you are so wise, please aid us towards world peace.....maybe you know a URL which will lead the way?? Also it seems you have not read the thread clearly, as Wolfen posted that his little one had been bitten by a white tail...this could have been more had he not stayed up most of the night to kill the bulk of them..at least it was only one bite. This would come as a shock to any new parent....though as you are obviously devoid of heart, I don't expect you to appreciate this. I also dont profess to knowing much about Oz, however, it is fact that every country's immigration policies have tightened over the last few years and certainly since 9-11 no matter your country of origin, so I have trouble believing that things were as difficult 8 years ago - we certainly cannot stay in NZ or go to Oz and retrain in careers - our visas would not allow it these days. As I said, if you made Oz work for you then great - you were a single guy that could live in a one bed unit and re-train; pat yourself on the back...it's not so easy with a young family. Also, Agencies do advertise fake jobs (I should know my wife used to be in recruitment), and they do it to build a candidate list, so that should a job turn up in the future, they have access to people that may be able to fill it. They'll tell you enormous lies on the phone just to get you into their offices and onto their list, certainly those lies are ten fold when they know you are on the other side of the world. Newspapers do the same...they are called trawler ads and they simply do the same thing, build a prospective candidate base...some employers have to advertise by law, though the position is always prospectively filled before the ad is placed. I'm not saying it's impossible to get a job, but in reality in this day and age, it can seem rosy from 12,000 miles away, but then you arrive and its all a facade... Also, in some people's cases the reality of homesickness is greater than expected...I can't say I have experienced this as my family is pretty spread out, but I can appreciate it. And people do leave thinking, oh it's only 24 hours...but it's a long time to travel & sit in one place..and family members that say they'll be on the next flight over, rarely end up doing that. You obviously have few family ties, so don't need to do this...well done you. Also, it seems you know little of NZ my friend as you have no idea of their current immigration policies and the attitude of employers. The LTBV business application was our contingency plan, but when both avenues are becoming more and more difficult to take, then you have to say "enough" at some point and cut your losses. You may have thought Sydney the greatest place on earth, or you ran away from something in the UK, hence your determination no matter what, but some of us don't want to start out again in bedsits, why would we when we are skilled workers with degrees and money behind us? I'm glad you have such a simple solution to everything...please endow me with your wisdom on my own situation in NZ, I'm sure you cant resist, and I'll be elated when my problems disappear. Rich. |
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Mrs Wolfen that part of my post was pure humour on my part (maybe very poor humour as it did not go down too well!) I am sincere when I say that I am sure you are lovely lady and I wish you all the best in your future.
Originally posted by wolfens_wife ahappychappy - christ you are an arsehole. What gives you the right to judge me? "get a new wife" what a knob guys!!!! There are some real tossers on this forum :mad: most of them blokes ive got to say. |
Re: And then it all went wrong!!!
Originally posted by ahappychappy Hopefully you have finished expressing yourself in my direction. As I suggested before you are ignorant of OZ and its migration system so please do not try and tell me how it was 8 years ago. Dont understand why you think entering and living in Oz was easier 8 years ago and that 9/11 has changed that. No I was not single, so who is assuming now?. If you care to read my post to noodle you will find that I agree about agencies . I have no cures my friend. Its hard enough curing my own. Good luck to you. All that Wolfen and his wife were doing was expressing how hard things were and you took it upon yourself to shoot them down with sarcasm. Can you not sympathise with your fellow humans? I suppose all the immigrants that flee torture in their own country to end up beaten up in the UK or Oz deserve it for not looking into the situation further also do they? You do have it hard enough curing your own....I empathise with you. Maybe if you weren't such a self centred prat you'd get a bit more respect in the forum. |
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Not sure what this points thing has to do with my posts? Very strange. However you are wrong with regard to points being awared for European lanuages etc and that it was easier. If my memory serves I had to accumulate 110 points. And this was not made up of European lanuages other than English. Also I scored zero points in regard to the "Occupations in Demand List". Plus being an aging dude I did not get max points for age. I have a good grasp on current requirements as I am presently helping my Brother from the UK with his migration application. As for world changes yes the world has changed. Again how does this reflect back to my original posts.
Hopefully your all talked out as your posts are of little sense. I will not be replying to any more of your ramblings so PLEASE go enjoy life and put your energies into something worth while....Good luck. PS. For points test info please got to: http://www.dimia.gov.au/migration/sk...oints_test.htm Originally posted by theguitardoctor And you are ignorant of NZ and it's migration, yet it doesn't stop your comments. Things have changed since 9/11 whether you accept it or not, and things have changed in 8 years as when we looked at Australia around that time, we scored points for European languages...which you no longer get...so who's ignorant now? The whole points awarding system and qualification classification is different today from how it was back then, including those positions listed as shortage skills, as someone has already pointed out, so it shows how much you know.... All that Wolfen and his wife were doing was expressing how hard things were and you took it upon yourself to shoot them down with sarcasm. Can you not sympathise with your fellow humans? I suppose all the immigrants that flee torture in their own country to end up beaten up in the UK or Oz deserve it for not looking into the situation further also do they? You do have it hard enough curing your own....I empathise with you. Maybe if you weren't such a self centred prat you'd get a bit more respect in the forum. |
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Originally posted by ahappychappy Not sure what this points thing has to do with my posts? Very strange. However you are wrong with regard to points being awared for English. Points were awarded then and still are. I know this as I am currenly helping my Brother from the UK with his migration application. As for world changes yes the world has changed. Again how does this reflect back to my original posts. Hopefully your all talked out as your posts are of little sense. I will not be replying to any more of your ramblings so PLEASE go enjoy life and put your energies into something worth while....Good luck. |
Maybe if you weren't such a self centred prat you'd get a bit more respect in the forum. |
Re: And then it all went wrong!!!
Originally posted by ahappychappy G' day Noodle, Not sure what field you and your husband are in career wise but you may be better off to check a few web sites out for employment. IT jobs do not tend to be advertised in news papers (thats not using the technology) but more so on web sites. I have lived in OZ for 8 years and I can only speak from experience that the Sydney employment market is pretty boyant at the mo. Think most agencies (including UK based ones) from time to time advertise a few fakes to top up their canditate data base. Anyway have a look at these: www.mycareer.com.au www.jobnet.com.au www.seek.com.au www.jobserve.com.au Set yourself up with a profile for auto e-mailing of available positions. Good luck. |
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Not sure Bondipom. I must say a while back IT was in a bad way here in SYD as was the rest of the world. Infact I changed jobs at the worst time (2000) and it back fired on me. However that said I have held four positions in the last five years and found three of these via these web sites. I know agencies do play games but you just have to keep trying.......
Originally posted by bondipom I found them to be useless in my job hunt. Lots of made up jobs to harvest CVs and make the agencies look good. I am not the only one to have experienced this. Maybe its a disease in the IT recuitment sector. |
HI there,
Unfortuantely, it's become practice among agencies whatever their sector...the wife used to work in recruitment for Spring/Randstad/Securicor and Drake...they all do it to harvest CV's and it goes from industrial temps to IT and health care workers. When agencies receive an inquiry from abroad they lie like hell then too....which is fine for them, but can cause misery for those job hunting. It's only gone this way of late, but it's pretty disconcerting for migrants as the bouyant job market they imagined is nothing but a false front. Rich. |
Re: And then it all went wrong!!!
Originally posted by ahappychappy Not sure Bondipom. I must say a while back IT was in a bad way here in SYD as was the rest of the world. Infact I changed jobs at the worst time (2000) and it back fired on me. However that said I have held four positions in the last five years and found three of these via these web sites. I know agencies do play games but you just have to keep trying....... |
Originally posted by theguitardoctor HI there, Unfortuantely, it's become practice among agencies whatever their sector...the wife used to work in recruitment for Spring/Randstad/Securicor and Drake...they all do it to harvest CV's and it goes from industrial temps to IT and health care workers. When agencies receive an inquiry from abroad they lie like hell then too....which is fine for them, but can cause misery for those job hunting. It's only gone this way of late, but it's pretty disconcerting for migrants as the bouyant job market they imagined is nothing but a false front. Rich. There are jobs out there, but it usually takes more than sending your cv to a couple of jobs advertised online to get them. |
Originally posted by MrsDagboy Rich, I think that that point has been made so many times on here that any intending migrants who read this site should be able to quote it in their sleep. Also the fact that you should be prepared for a long period (some say 3-12 months) without work when you get here if you arent prepared to do any work available & only want something in your *field*. There are jobs out there, but it usually takes more than sending your cv to a couple of jobs advertised online to get them. That's totally not what we did....we anticipated a long time out of work (and have funds for it), what we didnt anticipate was the pulling of a job offer and the Gen Skills category withdrawn....then the knock on affect to agencies and employers ...we went through the Yellow Pages of all the major cities and called directly to have the same quotation. As posted, we tried freight, shipping, export, translation, interpreting ...you name it, hence the scepticism. Now, do we wait and spend a small fortune to continue to get this negative answer from employers, or do we cut our losses and at least take some cash back with us? Sense, would say, the latter. Rich. |
Originally posted by theguitardoctor That's totally not what we did....we anticipated a long time out of work (and have funds for it), what we didnt anticipate was the pulling of a job offer and the Gen Skills category withdrawn....then the knock on affect to agencies and employers ...we went through the Yellow Pages of all the major cities and called directly to have the same quotation. As posted, we tried freight, shipping, export, translation, interpreting ...you name it, hence the scepticism. Now, do we wait and spend a small fortune to continue to get this negative answer from employers, or do we cut our losses and at least take some cash back with us? Sense, would say, the latter. Rich. Sorry Rich, I wasnt referring to you & your circumstances specifically, just responding to your comment about the job market not being as bouyant as it seems from looking at a few online job sites. I cant even comment on NZ as I have no idea of the job market or immigration system apart from what you have posted & IMO your case is somewhat different as there has been a change in immigration rules/procedure. I just think that for someone coming to Australia to think that there are heaps of jobs & that they will walk into the job of their dreams in the first month (or 3!) is a bit naive considering the amount of times its been pointed out that the opposite is quite often the case. |
Rich GD & Wolfens wife, keep your chin up, it can't get any worse, rootiing for you both, don't get dragged in by any negativity, if things were well you wouldn't give it a moments glance. Youve all done the hardest part in getting there, here on in things will be what they will be, you came you saw, & whatever your decision you conquered. Wish I could buy you a beer.
One final push, see what snaps, you can only try. Good luck. |
Have to say I agree with you. Pending migrants may do well to spend a while sifting though these various postings for a taste of some of the realities. Might save yourself a lot of money, time and emotional stress by not applying.
Originally posted by jandjuk yes I do think people expect to pick up jobs far too quickly. I would think 3 months would be a minimum... I mean you think about it - first week, you'll settling in and very very busy organising your new life - it'll be at least week2/week3 before you have time to start job hunting. Things in a new country always take you twice as long because you don't know where things are and how things work. Then you have to find jobs to apply for - which can take weeks. Then the closing date will be another few weeks away, then they won't interview for another month after that - then they'll think about it, and if you're lucky, they'll offer you the job - then another week at least will pass before you can start. And of course, you might have to go through this process 10 times before you get a job - and if there just aren't jobs in your field in your chosen area, then even longer. When I return to NZ, I will be very very happy if I get a job within 3 months. BUt I'm not banking on it... |
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