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Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 12593793)
Who are these religious leaders and what exactly is it you want them to do that they don't do already?
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Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by the troubadour
(Post 12593809)
Regardless of how much they condemn and attempt at community positive acts, there will always be those where nothing is ever enough, playing the blame game very lop sided, blinded to those seeking to aggravate the situation. Even worse. They may even attempt to pass off being open minded.
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Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12593815)
The blame game is not in. It's the prevention game thats in. That starts with influencers and who better to be an influencer than the leadership.
The idea if wanting to really prevent such actions, is to keep the Islamic community, on board for one, and not to constantly berate them at every given opportunity. Nor the use such events for self gain and/or impose ever more anti democratic laws. Each such occurrence weakens/erodes democracy even more. |
Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by the troubadour
(Post 12594193)
Actually the blame game is clearly in evidence, be in through more right aspects of the media or government wanting to curtail more of our freedoms. Why is it you are in continual about this when crystal clear with comments from Home Minister and Bolt and related shock jocks?
The idea if wanting to really prevent such actions, is to keep the Islamic community, on board for one, and not to constantly berate them at every given opportunity. Nor the use such events for self gain and/or impose ever more anti democratic laws. Each such occurrence weakens/erodes democracy even more. You are defending the indefensible when you start listing religions by name. |
Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
So, it turns out he not only was known to the authorities, and had had his passport taken away, but was on bail for driving offenses, and avoided court appearances.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...ended/10504532 Seems like he couldn't have been more visible to the authorities. Practically had a neon sign over his head. So why are the coalition talking about religion? Could it be to deflect from the fact that they had EVERY piece of information they could have wanted, and didn't catch him ahead of time? It comes make to my previous statement - if you make everyone muslim out to be a potential terrorist, then you don't have anywhere near the manpower to deal with it. You need to be much smarter and more targeted on the person, rather than the religion. Oh, and Dutton should be sacked. |
Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12594264)
So, it turns out he not only was known to the authorities, and had had his passport taken away, but was on bail for driving offenses, and avoided court appearances.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...ended/10504532 Seems like he couldn't have been more visible to the authorities. Practically had a neon sign over his head. So why are the coalition talking about religion? Could it be to deflect from the fact that they had EVERY piece of information they could have wanted, and didn't catch him ahead of time? It comes make to my previous statement - if you make everyone muslim out to be a potential terrorist, then you don't have anywhere near the manpower to deal with it. You need to be much smarter and more targeted on the person, rather than the religion. Oh, and Dutton should be sacked. A more draconian policy in relation to these assholes is required |
Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12594237)
I don't believe I mentioned Islam. I did mention Christian's and the Church of Comets.
You are defending the indefensible when you start listing religions by name. |
Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 12594270)
I know, it sucks that potential terrorists are allowed out on bail - a major failure of our PC, namby-pamby, justice system
A more draconian policy in relation to these assholes is required Australia already has a very high lock up prison rate. Perhaps you could conduct a study into Nordic policy on this and discover how more workable an 'enlightened' policy with regards to the prison system is. In all systems mistakes can be made, what sucks of course, if those in detention without committing a felony. |
Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by the troubadour
(Post 12594276)
No thanks. If you can't manage living in a 'free society' , wanting ever more draconian laws and loss to hard won freedom's, then you may want to apply to some form of lock up protection ,to enable you to overcome such embedded fear.
Australia already has a very high lock up prison rate. Perhaps you could conduct a study into Nordic policy on this and discover how more workable an 'enlightened' policy with regards to the prison system is. In all systems mistakes can be made, what sucks of course, if those in detention without committing a felony. In relation to terrorism, we need draconian action - with the simple solution for the asshole - don't be a terrorist |
Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 12594281)
Rubbish. Australia, like many other western countries, has a softly, softly, PC justice system that favours the criminal and the asshole over the innocent. You see this in the large number of assholes who are out and bail and then commit further crimes
In relation to terrorism, we need draconian action - with the simple solution for the asshole - don't be a terrorist Every opportunity, the draconian right wing, jump on to create fear, play out own agenda of tough on law and order, while if given the chance, the rest of us, would suffer the consequences. |
Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Thats sad, i wish justice should served at all cost.
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Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by willieaames
(Post 12594290)
Thats sad, i wish justice should served at all cost.
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Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by the troubadour
(Post 12594285)
WE don't want Australia, to be a prison camp, akin to the country you left. The rule of law must be paramount , and locking up ever more people on grounds of suspicion is not on. Australia has very high levels of confinement on an international basis.
Every opportunity, the draconian right wing, jump on to create fear, play out own agenda of tough on law and order, while if given the chance, the rest of us, would suffer the consequences. New York became a very safe yet still enjoyable city once police were placed on every corner. Some people need to be controlled for the sake of everyone else. The F.U. can be conducted in a different way. |
Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12594331)
It sounds like you get some perverse enjoyment every time some religious nutter takes down an innocent. A bit of F.U. to the establishment right?
New York became a very safe yet still enjoyable city once police were placed on every corner. Some people need to be controlled for the sake of everyone else. The F.U. can be conducted in a different way. Get real. The discussion was not around policing on the streets but the loss of freedoms and demise of democratic standards, all the more in the American context since 2016. Happy to discuss , but agree the FU can certainly be conducted in a different way. |
Re: Terrorism in Melbourne
Originally Posted by the troubadour
(Post 12594340)
Just who was this religious nutter. ? The FU being of course the libertarian economic policy enriching the few, and eroding living standards of the rest. Now that's Real F U heavy duty, something you are fully signed up to and preach at the altar of worship at every opportunity.
Get real. The discussion was not around policing on the streets but the loss of freedoms and demise of democratic standards, all the more in the American context since 2016. Happy to discuss , but agree the FU can certainly be conducted in a different way. |
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